Welcome to everyone who found the site. Whether you believe its random or you believe its not. Here is some evidence on the site. Based on e-mail from readers I have gotten I will attempt to make this a better all around poker site. Sure beats will still be discussed but maybe we can get some blog reader tourneys going or have blog readers invite others and share there own tourney wins and losses via blogs. Just send me an e-mail I will attempt to create a network of poker blogs.

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Wednesday, August 4, 2010

Darren Believes in Full Tilt........

Darren said...Mega-Grinders of all stake levels have analyzed millions of hands, nothing has jumped out as contrary to basic math and probability. Your "proof" is to connect a bad beat with a bad, losing player, and claim the site is rewarding them, on purpose, by "fixing the deck"? Seriously.
Let's go with that theory: as "proof" of rigg1dn3ss you mention that someone who delivered a Bad Beat to you is a LOSING player on Sharkscope. Okay, well let's see how you got your logic might have been spun around...
Any BAD player is going to be in pots more often with "bad" draws than the good players (who will fold a turn pot-sized bet when they have virtually any draw) so this means that a larger percentage of your own personally-experienced Bad Beats WILL BE at the hands of bad players, those who should never have stayed in the hand. AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE LOSING PLAYERS.
Thinking the site is rewarding a bad player occasionally to keep them optimistic and redepositing etc. etc = bad logic. What is happening is simple MATH. The more a bad player chases bad, the more often he will end up winning a pot... in raw numbers. But as a PERCENTAGE of total "chances" to hit, if they have 9 outs on the turn for their flush with no overs, they will be hitting <20% of the time, period, 4 out of 5 times they will miss. 
July 15, 2010 2:11 PM
You sir are a moron. I am not even trying to be rude. But you just said that no one has found anything wrong with the math. Please do an internet search. As a matter of FACT you do realize that quite a few major college students have done their term papers and MBA research on this very topic. Go ahead search. They have found that Full Tilt is NOT STATISTICALLY RANDOM. If it were then if and when a player such as myself makes a bad call then I would hit sometimes. The truth is if I push the worst hand I lose. Period. If my AK goes up against QQ on this site. I lose. I dont win it. I mean ever. And a lot of people are seeing the same thing I do.
The fact that you found this site at all shows that you have experienced this and were LOOKING FOR PROOF. Well its all here. I mean hell, look at the post right beneath this one. I could run cards from a real live deck all day and probably not repeat what happened in that hand.

So explain it to me wise one. If its not random and I cant duplicate it even after hundreds of hands. Why did it happen there on only my second hand played for the day in which I made the correct push all in and he basically didnt have much of a chance at all to win that hand. He HAD to have runner runner to win. But I guess thats random..get the f out of here with that BS.


B said...

I believe this to be true. I'm also a profitable player (on other sites at least) and have noticed that as my profitability on FT has lowered, I have most definitely been receiving more miracle drawing cards. I play tight-aggressive and see just far too many miracle cards either for and against me to make me believe the code is legit. I'd like to see someone get some hard code / analysis done on this..

Richard said...

I have hundreds of thousands of hands worth of proof saying you're wrong.

Sounds to me like you're just a bitter, losing player.

Onslow12 said...

I think there are just too many players out there saying FTP is rigged for it to be random.

You get losing players who complain a site is rigged, then you get winning players, players who beat other networks yet they just can't beat FTP.

As 'B' says, there are just far too many rivers beats- it goes for and against you, for it to be random.

Anybody who has played hundreds of thousands of hands across most networks will agree FTP seems a lot more juiced than the other networks, the turn and river almost never blank off.

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BlogNews said...

Lets get my bad grammar out of the way, it will be atrocious, ok , I write like a donk but I got a jab and right cross to put u asleep and I don't like to get ripped off .

I won 5th place out of 98 in a tourney and after numerous comments and complaints at Full Tilt , I believe I'm on some kind of shit list, as others have mentioned .

I make a 5X preflop raise and get called w/ large stack w/ weak K.I had pair of Queens . Sure enough he gets a K on turn .

That's the First pattern I started to see , large stack w/ weaker hand wins 90% of time especially in tourneys and I've played many S&Gs and cashed out over 20X and then I noticed after going to CASH Games, I'd start a slow bleed of cash , 2nd pattern.
I started looking at the Big Stack on table and the high number of WEAK hands he wins with , wOW saw another pattern .
I believe all Poker is RIGGED and cheats players all day long and Full Tilt is organized crime , without the BALLS to confront the people they rob .
Short stack with Best hand will lose at least 80% of time , consistently and as the FT programmer has indicated, it happens right after break , to get rid of short stacks .

Fulltilt is RIGGED and NOR Random !

Mel poker said...

Let me explain something to those of you who always got something to say when people tell you it's flawed. The mind recognizes patterns, it's how we become good at things.

For example, we all have played video games at one point in our lives. When you first played that game, you were not familiar with the patterns and could not beat it. However, after playing over and over again you recognized the patterns and were able to save the princess or beat the final stage. The same principle goes for Fulltilt.

Those of us who play on a REGULAR bases see that there is something wrong. A constant pattern of bad beats occur over and over again regardless of how well you play. Therefore, the problem lies not within the player, but within the software.

To prove my point about recognizing patterns, according to OPR at official poker ratings, a player named JYMaster11 is ranked number 1. If you google sick hand against Jymaster11, you will notice that he called an all in late tournament with 74 offsuit in an odd scenario and won. Why would he make that type of play if he is a good player? hmm! There are a few scenarios posted online where he makes the same funny plays and win. In fact, if you watch him you will see the same type plays that seem to work, why?

mike said...

I believe there is no way full tilt is random... Im a decent play live, up and down swings, but by no means a losing player... I admit by playing a lot live, you do see a lot of weird flops just like online, however, you do not see the set ups as much live as online, like rivering trips after a flush draw has turned, or being a short stack on the button w AQ, and the BB has AK ... all this happens wayyyy to often online to be random, like I said it happpens live & by noway a absolute rare occurrence... However, online, it happens every you log in, within 20 hands, its crazy... and even when you fold, count how many time you foleded a flush draw, someone else has a stright draw, someone else top 2 pair... its ridiculous... dont be stupid and fall for what the "pros" tell you on tv about making millions online, those people were already well off before they were playing poker online... you would better off just buying a lottery ticket... play at you local casino and grind out some extra money, atleast you know for sure you are not getting screwed

Christian said...

I love comments on how its all legit. As for "cheating" that goes on, the problem lies in whether or not a computer can generate randomness. The answer to this question is a resounding NO. Computers are incapable of generating random cards, they can SIMULATE randomness, however, the keyword in this sentence is simulate. This means that algorithms have a sequence that are roughly random but not at the same time, as the algorithm suggests there is a pattern, no matter how complicated it may be the pattern is there.
I have won playing online, but I much rather prefer playing real life because I understand that hands get madeonline.
Most players do realise this actually, I was a regular at this casino which had cash game tables which were computerized with a screen and people sit around put their card, charge etc.. I know everyone there and we are all in agreement that too many hands get made on these tables, when they opened the real cash game tables, what happened was that those computer tables got deserted even when there were 1 hour waiting times on the real tables.
In any case, you want to see rigging play their casino games, specifically blackjack. Its hilarious, you actually see how "random" their code is when their dealer gets 50% of the time a 10 or face card showing, and yes over an extremely large data pool, 1$ bets are awesome. There is a reason online gambling is banned in many countries and its not because they dont want people to win or lose money.
I love the bitter, losing player comment. You definately must be an uneducated fool if you cant comprehend that computers and randomness dont mix, in fact only a few months ago did scientists manage to have a super computer use quantum computing technology to generate random numbers, so I wonder how these sites have been managing to have true randomness all these years if that is just a breakthrough now.