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Saturday, August 22, 2009

Full Tilt Rigged Confirmed??

Anyone know where this post came from or where this guys blog is? Thanks for the e-mail whoever sent it:

Bob Smith

Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or not…I wold like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware LLC…while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands. we were also asked to develope software that would provide what they called the”maximum oppurtunity to bet” which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online…because then no one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having enter another tourney.
There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50 straight sessions without a loss…how can this be possible unless they are working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all the cards in play and in the deck.
Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the levels trick…this trick takes place when a tournament has been running after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with. Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river. Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker.
The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at another table spending more money…it is to this sites best interested to eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage. There is no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees. Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.
the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site built by THIEVES!!

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passiveson said...

http://rounding.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/full-tilt-leans-towards-big-hands/

al71z said...

I am a semi-professional player. When I say semi-professional I mean, I play for on a part time basis to supplement my main income. I normally play at traditional brick and mortar casinos. From my part time play, I make roughly $12 to $14,000 a year. I mention this so that the readers know that I am not new to poker.

In addition to the problems discussed by you, I have noticed one other interesting fact about Full Tilt Poker. When a player like me deposits money into the FTP account, he/she gets a good run for a few days but unfortunately for the player (and fortunately for full tilt poker) that luck changes and you start getting one bad beat after another until you are completely depleted of your funds. In the beginning I thought it was merely a coincedence but after I repeated the exercise several times and observed the process more carefully, I can say that it is more than a coincedence. Hence, I am confident that Full Tilt Poker is rigged.

postavaio said...

i become to the conclusion that is rigged, after playing 12 hours a day for few months, what i saw is UNREAL, impossible not to understand that its all SETUP, when u have the luck to win something after u start to loose it all, impossible to count the unreal BAD BEATS i went trough

i lost my time, my patience and some money, im over with FT.....

Jon Stein said...

Absolutely it is rigged, and what the post states is in large part true. HOWEVER, there is a way to recognize this algorithm that is built into the software and by knowing this you are able to beat the program.

Simply put, the online poker sites induce action, create hands and deals and definitely have an advantage for doing so.

The solution is found in Paul Westin's Online Poker Code Crack where the algorithm is explained along with graphic details and charts to show you how to win despite the poker sites being rigged.

I have more on my
blog
if you care to read about it.

George said...

Not that it is anything miraculous to add further grist to this tale, but I am a fairly decent poker play in brick and mortar establishments. With full tilt I see the same patterns over and over again. Such as the streak of great hands for the first six or so hands. Also, the win streak early on then the loss of can't lose hands to crazy cards. I know these things happen in the real world, but not like on line. I ALWAYS lose online ... unless I play for "play money" where FullTilt doesn't care about the outcome. Of course the betting there is often quite silly, but the cards are definitely different. I too, am giving up on this stupid site. You would think that they could make plenty of money online with legitimate poker. Why is everyone so darn greedy?

Alvis said...

yeah, only insane and gullible people believe poker is not rigged. guess what? it is! it's human nature

Adam said...

I also make a decent living playing live cash games and the occasional tournament. I was recently laid off from my job so I had a lot of spare time and I have been playing quite a bit of poker on Full Tilt. This site is completely rigged! I have never been the victim of so many bad beats in my life. In the past 36 hours I have witnessed 8 (EIGHT) quad hands, not to mention the endless amount of sets, flushes, flopped straights and even a couple of straight flushes. This past week I have flopped either a set of A's or a set of K's 6 times in tournament play, usually on the first or second hand. I always make an agressive raise pre-flop and I will have some donk call, generally with some ridiculous straight connectors (78 or J10 offsuit, etc.) If these players haven't flopped their straight they call it to the very end. You think to yourself "They can't possibly have my set of A's or K's beat" They sure do! Just another way to wipe some players out of the tournament fast and double up some other morons. All in hopes of these players going out to jump into another tournament.

I completely agree with al71z's comment regarding a players tournament cashes/wins and their losses. If you make a deposit on FT you will most likely make the money in your first couple of tournaments, sometimes quite a bit of money depending on the buy-in. And then it turns into a slow inevitable decline, constantly becoming the victim of ridiculously bad beats.

Hopefully sites like Full Tilt will be exposed for the crooks that they are.

pinco said...

Im back to PS, bad beats even here but MUCH MORE LESS then FT
dont trust FT anymore, nothing i can do about it, if i have to play with nervous ANSIA and souspicious mind is better if i dont do it

angryshortguy said...

gotta agree. rigged.
in the past hour I've had two pair cracked by straight on river. full boat cracked by quad 10's on river, and the beat's go on.
Pathetic and frustrating.
My wife had her full boat beat by quads on river.
Had no idea quads were so easy to catch...

postavaio said...

they should change the name in "FULL FILTH"

Mike said...

I'm glad I found this thread. I played on PS for 12 months. In that time I turned $20 into 3k. Yes, I hit alot of Bad Beats along the way, but that comes with the game. It happens to me all the time in live poker. okay, so after taking alot of my PS money out, I decided to try FTP, with thier rakeback. Well...in one month, with RB and deposit $$, I lost nearly half my bankroll. I played the same game I played on stars, but after an initial run, I just got hammered by an insane amount of beats, day after day after day. AA all in preflop lost 11 out of 14 times, to morons who call with 9 10 off and make a straight. Yada yada. I would have never said that Stars is rigged...but after playing on FTP, I am convinced that they are crooks.

Domiziano Galia said...

When you get AA in real life it's frakking good to start with.
When you get them on full tilt you really, really hope none calls, win the blinds and be happy.
Otherwise you do have to start to wonder how creative you'll get f*cked.
Will the guy have KK and get the set? Will he have 72 and get A8596? Or will he have AA too and get the flush?

pinco said...

infact, as i sayed B4 i quitted W. FT because it's UNREAL that u got to have ANSIA while U R playing!!
is devastating

rayzrsharp said...

I have been playing on FT for about six months and the same things are happening to me. On initial deposit I was winning all the time by getting unbelievable flops. but after I about tripled my bank roll the bad beats started. At first I thought it was just bad luck but the pattern continued. Almost everytime I made a deposit my luck would be good for a short time and then it would suck me dry again. I also noticed if I stayed away for a week or so my first couple of games would be good when I started again. I came from PartyPoker because similar things were happening there. For someone to say your just playing bad is BS because I experimented by playing tight to playing like a donkey and the pattern was always similar. It amazes me that with the profits they generate with straight fair play that they still need to rig to take more. I own a pub that has government controlled VLT's in it so I fully understand the rigged programming in those and that is why I never play them. The funny thing is the government doesn't hide this fact if you want to dig deep enough. But most gamblers don't want to know. I hope that full exposure happens soon to put these sites out of business so maybe one can enjoy some legit on-line poker rooms.

pinco said...

What i can say is that Italians PR are monitorized by our governement, this doesnt put them away from be rigged but at list is a thing, and last but not leats, they pay TAXES!!!

joeblaggs said...

CingCoCo adds $0.50
-wildo- calls $3
*** FLOP *** [6d Qs Qc]
-wildo- checks
IkyMiky bets $8
joeblaggs raises to $16
-wildo- has 15 seconds left to act
-wildo- folds
IkyMiky raises to $24
joeblaggs raises to $72.20, and is all in
IkyMiky has 15 seconds left to act
IkyMiky calls $47.95, and is all in
joeblaggs shows [Kh 6h]
IkyMiky shows [7d Ad]
Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to joeblaggs
*** TURN *** [6d Qs Qc] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [6d Qs Qc 2d] [9d]
reemas3 stands up
joeblaggs shows two pair, Queens and Sixes
IkyMiky shows a flush, Ace high
IkyMiky wins the pot ($153.40) with a flush, Ace high
joeblaggs is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $156.40 | Rake $3
Board: [6d Qs Qc 2d 9d]
Seat 1: -wildo- (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: bigbobm11 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: IkyMiky showed [7d Ad] and won ($153.40) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: joeblaggs (button) showed [Kh 6h] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 5: CingCoCo (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: reemas3 is sitting out


I will never play another hand at full tilt poker this is the 7th time in 2 months that this kind of thing has happened. F%^&^ING cheaters! I dare Full Tilt to say they don't

Nick Maiorana said...

Agree that there is a problem with the way cards are dealt on line. To combat this problem, there is a solution which takes the random generation of cards away from the site and given to an entrusted independent 3rd party to manage. This technology exists and the only way for the rooms to start using it is for the players to start demanding it's use.

Slim said...

I have played well over 500,000 cash hands and have found the same issue on three sites. I started with Party Poker years ago and turned $95 into $2600 over the course of a month playing 1/2 limit holdem. As soon as I started to play larger dollar amounts, I could not win. All of the money was lost back. I moved on to PokerStars where I again turned a small amount of money ~$150 into a little over a $1000. Shortly thereafter I could not win a hand and all was lost back. I gave up for a year and then came back to Pokerstars. The exact same scenario occurred, I made about 400 to 500% of my initial deposit and then I couldnt win and all was lost back. About 2 to 3 years ago I gave Full Tilt a try but only played once and awhile. I did not realize Full Tilt was rigged until last year. I turned $200 into $2000 in a very short period of time playing nothing but 2/4 or 3/6 limit holdem. Almost as soon as I hit that mark, I couldnt win. All of the money less $100 was lost back. I gave up again for about 6 months. I just got back on Full Tilt a little over a week ago, and turned $200 into $800 playing nothing but 2/4 and 3/6 limit again. Then just as I expected, the countless bad beats started and all plus a little more was lost back. As someone who has been extremely gifted in math/calculations all my life, I know these sites are bs. I feel like picking a poker site is like going to the voting booth. No matter who you choose, you LOSE!!!

Azorean16 said...

Yes everythink most of u said happen to me too.
How many time we see AA vs KK on that site? too many for a 6 hand table.A have so many bad beats like AA vs 45's flop 555, or a have j9
flop comes 10 8 7, other guy go all in whit QQ, turn j river 9. I use poker tracker and i saw that a had less 2x times str and flush, and i had 8x more AA vs KK.

TOPTILT said...

It has to be rigged!!! I have been playing on Tilt for awhile now and I just recently made a deposit then anoter and another. I keep getting sucked out on it seems like every hand I play. One way you can tell it is rigged is I will play in tournaments and be very short stacked then I get AK we will say. I push all in well you know Im getting called by 72 and whats the flop A K 7 turn 2 River 2 and im out. I will be in a tournament and I will be able to call it out before it even happends who will win just by chip size. Or if someone is all in and cards are shown preflop you can count on the worst hand winning. Today I was in this new game Rush Poker its a cash game, I was at a $.25/$.50 I get KK and raised $1.50 everyone folds but the big blind he pushed all in with $20.00 at that point I just knew I was beat cause I knew he had the ace. I had KK how could I fold, I call he shows AK off suit, im thinkin Im done flop comes 3 K A lookin good right.... Turn is a 7 and lookin better River oh its an ace. FUNK what a bunch of B.S. So then I am sucked in to playing more I get AK and hit two pair on the flop all in for $20.00 again and oh the other dude trips his eights on the flop how nice, but this time I got him I rivered my ace. Now I play more poker than a person should and that never happends that often live NEVER!!!
They set the hands up so people play and get funked over and its sick when you are the victom of bad beats issued by Full TILT and its loyal DONKEYS who play terrible hands. I used to think Full Tilt was fun but now I see its just an easy way to take a few more years off your life and a few bucks out of your pocket!!!

TOPTILT said...

I guess I should note that when I started playing Full Tilt I was determind not to deposit any money. I was playing in freerolls and managed to get my bankroll up to $43.00 before I lost it all and then started to deposit money.
So unless you want to go from hero to zero don't play Full Tilt!!! TRUST ME!!! ITS SIKKKKK

wowooooo said...

I will agree with everything everyone has mentioned already. The software eliminates players in tourney play dealing out set-up hands just to get people out so Tourney ends sooner, so people can buy into another.

I have played numerous live tournaments cash games and have never seen cards fall like they do on Full off Sh*t Poker. It's like playing poker in the twilight zone. I'll have to say this, they are very creative with the bad beats sometimes...it's sick

Rafael said...

I agree, is Rigged!!!

jim said...

Full Tilt is for sure rigged. I put money on there for cash games and played super tight all the time. They keep dealing me AJ and A 10 and KQ and small pocket pairs in early position every time and its like they want me to play it. The problem is if I do limp in with it then someone always raise and I will miss the flop every time Sometimes I will hit the flop also and they will always flop a set to my top pair or just have KK or AA. Then when I get AA and KK and QQ I raise and everyone always folds. If they do call they crack me with K 7 off to my KK. I re raise an initial raiser pre flop with KK and he has K 7 off he flops a pair of sevens and moves all in and the turn is a 7. Same think happned twice when i had AA the guy had like Q 6 suited he flopped a 6 on the flop we got it all in and the turn was another 6. Im sitting here waiting forever to get a hand and I get my Aces and kings cracked every time. Las hand i went to 1/2 no limit with my las 120$ got dealt KK right away one guy raises to 6 $ i make it 16$ just trying to get action and pocket 22 call. flop is Q 2 Q I cant put this guy on a queen after calling that much pre flop and I keep getting bad beated so im not gonna fold my KK. Of course he has 22 and I have no more money in the account. I play live and win 100 K + a year at Las Vegas and Commerce casino in cash games. Take it from a winning player these sights are all rigged for action. U might win a couple a first but they they will bad beat the hell out of you till u give it all back

Alex said...

recently i got a free bankroll on ftp...

usual story: i crush the micros for about 1k hands.

then i get bad beat after bad beat.

I lose 23/29 all ins with equity of 85%+ in 1 hour. GET IT RIGHT: WHEN I WAS SHOVING I HAD 85% OR HIGHER CHANCE OF WINNING. AND I LOST ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

it was brutal: flopped full house over aces which become runner runner quads.

quads which lose to runner runner straight flush.

sets which lose to runner runner higher set.

the last one was even funnier.
I get aces. He gets Tens and shoves. I call.

Flop
A 6 7

Turn
8
River
9


He gets a straight.



Let aside all the bots...

Nick Maiorana said...

We as players have no hard evidence that the site is rigged. We have a large amount of speculative information, and that's all we are going to get.

DealGuardian is the only way to get a fair game from a card room, but your not going to see it being used anytime soon. Because the card rooms (legit or not) have a large enough customer base that they can handle a few distrusting individuals.

Unless we get some serious regulation or players stop depositing at sites, you are better off playing at live games or sites that don't have a bad reputation (good luck).

Alex said...

watch this.



http://texasgrinders.blogspot.com/2009/12/bad-beat-of-day.html


who said when having 99 vs 10 10 and you cant flop a set (due to no more nines in the deck) you lose? ofc not, you go for a flush.


im done with this, only live from now on.

Alex said...

http://texasgrinders.blogspot.com/2009_12_06_archive.html


basically look all the bad beats in the blog. lol!

Alex said...

http://texasgrinders.blogspot.com/2009_12_11_archive.html



this is cool too, lol

ex fulltilt player said...

Besides the site being rigged I {as a USA based player} have not been able to cash out. The site will not respond to my emails and talking to support on the phone was a complete waste of time. I have $100 and some change I was trying to withdrawbut it looks like that money is history..

Sean said...

I'm officially done with online poker. To say the FT is rigged is an understatement. I was in a $69+6 tournament playing tight with multi-premium hands for about 2 hours and had a medium stack size for the tournament (226 of 440 remaining). I was in the big blind with AA. The whole table folds except for the small blind where he shoves all-in. I make the call and he shows J-4. Flop = Q-Q-4, turn 10, and rivers a 4. Snap of a finger I was out of the tournament. It's too much of a coincidence that the same pattern holds true for most players. First initial deposit, you have a steady good streak and once you win a tournament, you gradually lose it all. Due to the bad beats, suckers (like myself) keep depositing more and more $. My tenure as a online poker player comes to an end. BOL to all.

Mapps1 said...

Another perfect example of how they fix the results.

Seat 2: LBiren (4,271)
Seat 3: Linkinjunior (14,849)
Seat 4: Stuart Paterson (5,256)
Seat 5: bucket011 (2,710)
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 (2,910)
Seat 7: acumen53 (5,430)
Seat 8: skarb (8,391)
Seat 9: two8off (10,483)
catcat01 antes 25
LBiren antes 25
Linkinjunior antes 25
Stuart Paterson antes 25
bucket011 antes 25
Sidthekid8721 antes 25
acumen53 antes 25
skarb antes 25
two8off antes 25
skarb posts the small blind of 120
two8off posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Js Jh]
catcat01 folds
LBiren has 15 seconds left to act
LBiren folds
Linkinjunior folds
Stuart Paterson folds
bucket011 has 15 seconds left to act
bucket011 folds
Sidthekid8721 raises to 550
acumen53 has 15 seconds left to act
acumen53 folds
skarb has 15 seconds left to act
skarb folds
two8off raises to 1,670
Sidthekid8721 raises to 2,885, and is all in
two8off calls 1,215
Sidthekid8721 shows [Js Jh]
two8off shows [Qc Kd]
*** FLOP *** [2d Ah 4c]
*** TURN *** [2d Ah 4c] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [2d Ah 4c 7d] [Qs]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Jacks
two8off shows a pair of Queens
two8off wins the pot (6,115) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,115 | Rake 0
Board: [2d Ah 4c 7d Qs]
Seat 1: catcat01 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: LBiren folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Linkinjunior folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Stuart Paterson folded before the Flop
Seat 5: bucket011 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 showed [Js Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 7: acumen53 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: skarb (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: two8off (big blind) showed [Qc Kd] and won (6,115) with a pair of Queens

Mapps1 said...

Yet another perfect example.


Full Tilt Poker Game #18067779390: $22 + $2 Sit & Go (Turbo) (136595335), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:13:53 ET - 2010/01/31
Seat 1: PoKaHeSTiA_20 (4,520)
Seat 3: BIG3577 (2,020)
Seat 4: Kbwarrior86 (1,300)
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 (1,160)
BIG3577 posts the small blind of 100
Kbwarrior86 posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [5h 5d]
Sidthekid8721 raises to 1,160, and is all in
PoKaHeSTiA_20 folds
BIG3577 calls 1,060
Kbwarrior86 folds
Sidthekid8721 shows [5h 5d]
BIG3577 shows [Kc Ah]
*** FLOP *** [6c 7h 7d]
*** TURN *** [6c 7h 7d] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [6c 7h 7d 2s] [Kd]
Sidthekid8721 shows two pair, Sevens and Fives
BIG3577 shows two pair, Kings and Sevens
BIG3577 wins the pot (2,520) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,520 | Rake 0
Board: [6c 7h 7d 2s Kd]
Seat 1: PoKaHeSTiA_20 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: BIG3577 (small blind) showed [Kc Ah] and won (2,520) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 4: Kbwarrior86 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 showed [5h 5d] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fives

Mapps1 said...

we are having a blast today.......

Full Tilt Poker Game #18080648741: $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) (136694105), Table 2 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:26:05 ET - 2010/01/31
Seat 1: Kargul1988 (1,485)
Seat 2: nakape86 (1,365)
Seat 3: Surfer_D (1,320)
Seat 4: rn4love (1,583)
Seat 5: luckylinda20 (1,380)
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 (2,017)
Seat 7: steeleja (1,470)
Seat 8: LOEWE420 (1,500)
Seat 9: wubdfub (1,380)
rn4love posts the small blind of 15
luckylinda20 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Kh Kc]
Sidthekid8721 raises to 120
steeleja folds
LOEWE420 folds
wubdfub calls 120
Kargul1988 folds
nakape86 folds
Surfer_D folds
rn4love calls 105
luckylinda20 calls 90
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8d 3s]
rn4love checks
luckylinda20 bets 480
Sidthekid8721 raises to 1,897, and is all in
wubdfub calls 1,260, and is all in
rn4love folds
luckylinda20 calls 780, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 shows [Kh Kc]
wubdfub shows [Td 9d]
luckylinda20 shows [Jc Th]
Uncalled bet of 637 returned to Sidthekid8721
*** TURN *** [Ts 8d 3s] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 8d 3s Jh] [9c]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Kings
wubdfub shows two pair, Tens and Nines
luckylinda20 shows two pair, Jacks and Tens
luckylinda20 wins the pot (4,260) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,260 | Rake 0
Board: [Ts 8d 3s Jh 9c]
Seat 1: Kargul1988 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: nakape86 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Surfer_D (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: rn4love (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: luckylinda20 (big blind) showed [Jc Th] and won (4,260) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: steeleja didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: LOEWE420 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: wubdfub showed [Td 9d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines

sam said...

You people are retarded. You get more bad beats online than live because you play thousands more hands. You lose online and win live because live players suck for the comparative stakes. The 3 hands posted above are 50-50 all ins. Have you ever thrown a coin and got 3 heads in a row? Exactly the same as loosing 55 vs AK preflop 3 times in a row.

coconutclamp said...

I was playing in a cash game.. I had turned a freeroll into 90 cents, turned that into 5.50 at a sit n go, and with ring games, i had over 130$.. i was at a ring game with 75$

My hand was A3

I raised preflop, to 2$

A guy called..

A 3 7 came out on the flop.. I checked to slow play

he checked..

the turn was a 3.. so it was

A 3 7 3.. I had AA333

He raised.. I reraised, eventually we were all in..

He showed his hand.. AA

So he beat me, AAA33 vs my AA333.. after calling and checking that whole time..

brockmck said...

Well, I used to play Ultimate Bet, but then we all saw what happened with the inside job-cheaters there... and yeah, Full Tilt-- seems like there's something stank-ass fishy there too!!!

Think about it... How else could they constantly run hundreds of tournaments 24/7 with thousands of players if they didnt figure out some kind of algorithm to eliminate players rapidly. I believe the first Blogger who said he was a programmer for Full Tilt, and that their directive was to write code to recognize and create opportunities to bust players out quickly. Seriously.. Let's look at the Big Deep-stack tournaments - WSOP Bracelet Events take 2-3 DAYS to play and those only have 1000 to 2000 players. The Main Event takes 2 FRIGGIN WEEKS to eliminate 8000 players. Granted, the blind rounds are 60-120 minutes, But if you look at Full Tilt's "Daily Dollar" and some of the other tourneys -- thousands and thousands of players -- all eliminated in 2 to 4 hours....How else could that happen unless the system was set up to create AA vs. KK or Runner Runner case card suck outs where the small stack (even though 95% to win pot) gets hammered just b/c he has fewer chips.

I've watched this very very closely. Its almost a guarantee that if u end up all in against another player with a bigger stack, u are going to lose... runner runner flush; runner runner boat... whatever it takes... the bigger stack is going to win. I've been on both sides of this numerous times, and the ridiculous cards that fly -- NOT JUST SOMETIMES -- but over and over and over again... its like thumbing its nose at statitics and probability.

Anyone know how to make poker tracker count bad beats and statistical nightmares? Dont know if it would make a difference, but hey...maybe MIT's stats deparment could figure out a way to track hands and show that the shit is anything but truly random!!!

Peace-out... had it with MF'in Full Tilt

Mapps1 said...

So Standard,,, LMAO,,,,


Seat 1: adamsapple19 (1,950)
Seat 2: MisterRubik (1,345)
Seat 3: BeavisBrasil (3,695)
Seat 4: Larrydizzle111 (4,972)
Seat 5: Blackbox69 (2,428)
Seat 6: flushnasty (1,340)
Seat 7: thunderbird24 (2,035)
Seat 8: Sidthekid8721 (3,810)
Seat 9: SilveiraAA (5,870)
SilveiraAA posts the small blind of 20
adamsapple19 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Td Kh]
MisterRubik folds
BeavisBrasil folds
Larrydizzle111 calls 40
Blackbox69 folds
flushnasty folds
thunderbird24 folds
Sidthekid8721 raises to 160
SilveiraAA calls 140
adamsapple19 folds
Larrydizzle111 folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 9d Ks]
SilveiraAA checks
Sidthekid8721 bets 400
SilveiraAA calls 400
*** TURN *** [5d 9d Ks] [6s]
SilveiraAA checks
Sidthekid8721 bets 1,000
SilveiraAA calls 1,000
*** RIVER *** [5d 9d Ks 6s] [3s]
SilveiraAA checks
Sidthekid8721 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sidthekid8721 shows [Td Kh] a pair of Kings
SilveiraAA shows [8s As] a flush, Ace high
SilveiraAA wins the pot (3,200) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,200 | Rake 0
Board: [5d 9d Ks 6s 3s]
Seat 1: adamsapple19 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: MisterRubik didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: BeavisBrasil didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Larrydizzle111 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Blackbox69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: flushnasty didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: thunderbird24 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Sidthekid8721 (button) showed [Td Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: SilveiraAA (small blind) showed [8s As] and won (3,200) with a flush, Ace high

Mapps1 said...

LMAO



Full Tilt Poker Game #18218439687: $6 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go (137856340), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:35:31 ET - 2010/02/05
Seat 1: Sidthekid8721 (1,520)
Seat 2: BIGROD79 (1,480)
BIGROD79 posts the small blind of 40
Sidthekid8721 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Kd Qd]
BIGROD79 calls 40
Sidthekid8721 raises to 240
BIGROD79 calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Ks 3s 4s]
Sidthekid8721 bets 560
BIGROD79 calls 560
*** TURN *** [Ks 3s 4s] [5d]
Sidthekid8721 bets 720, and is all in
BIGROD79 calls 680, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 shows [Kd Qd]
BIGROD79 shows [As 2c]
Uncalled bet of 40 returned to Sidthekid8721
*** RIVER *** [Ks 3s 4s 5d] [7h]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Kings
BIGROD79 shows a straight, Five high
BIGROD79 wins the pot (2,960) with a straight, Five high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,960 | Rake 0
Board: [Ks 3s 4s 5d 7h]
Seat 1: Sidthekid8721 (big blind) showed [Kd Qd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: BIGROD79 (small blind) showed [As 2c] and won (2,960) with a straight, Five high

Mapps1 said...

So Standard yet again.

Full Tilt Poker Game #18219356769: $6 + $0.50 KO Sit & Go (137855640), Table 2 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:16:41 ET - 2010/02/05
Seat 1: bigdaddyhoe13 (3,040)
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 (4,309)
Seat 3: nwe7 (12,947)
Seat 5: lilOUmikey (6,434)
Seat 6: chuli77 (5,680)
Seat 7: raagz (7,823)
Seat 8: bskchamp (10,752)
Seat 9: bigfish4u (22,780)
bigdaddyhoe13 antes 25
Sidthekid8721 antes 25
nwe7 antes 25
lilOUmikey antes 25
chuli77 antes 25
raagz antes 25
bskchamp antes 25
bigfish4u antes 25
raagz posts the small blind of 120
bskchamp posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [9c 3d]
bigfish4u folds
bigdaddyhoe13 raises to 720
Sidthekid8721 folds
nwe7 calls 720
lilOUmikey folds
chuli77 folds
raagz folds
bskchamp has 15 seconds left to act
bskchamp calls 480
*** FLOP *** [Js Qd 4s]
bskchamp checks
bigdaddyhoe13 has 15 seconds left to act
bigdaddyhoe13 bets 2,295, and is all in
nwe7 raises to 4,590
bskchamp folds
nwe7 shows [Jh Qh]
bigdaddyhoe13 shows [Qs Ad]
Uncalled bet of 2,295 returned to nwe7
*** TURN *** [Js Qd 4s] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Js Qd 4s 5c] [8d]
nwe7 shows two pair, Queens and Jacks
bigdaddyhoe13 shows a pair of Queens
nwe7 wins the pot (7,070) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
bigdaddyhoe13 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,070 | Rake 0
Board: [Js Qd 4s 5c 8d]
Seat 1: bigdaddyhoe13 showed [Qs Ad] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: nwe7 showed [Jh Qh] and won (7,070) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 5: lilOUmikey folded before the Flop
Seat 6: chuli77 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: raagz (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: bskchamp (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: bigfish4u folded before the Flop

Mapps1 said...

Once again,, LMAO,,ahahahaha

Full Tilt Poker Game #18219680002: $6 + $0.50 KO Sit & Go (137855640), Table 2 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:31:18 ET - 2010/02/05
Seat 1: Brunno Orciuolo (12,125)
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 (3,424)
Seat 3: nwe7 (14,235)
Seat 5: lilOUmikey (7,679)
Seat 6: chuli77 (6,880)
Seat 7: raagz (9,435)
Seat 8: bskchamp (12,737)
Seat 9: bigfish4u (19,545)
Brunno Orciuolo antes 50
Sidthekid8721 antes 50
nwe7 antes 50
lilOUmikey antes 50
chuli77 antes 50
raagz antes 50
bskchamp antes 50
bigfish4u antes 50
nwe7 posts the small blind of 250
lilOUmikey posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [8d Ad]
chuli77 calls 500
raagz folds
bskchamp folds
bigfish4u folds
Brunno Orciuolo folds
Sidthekid8721 calls 500
nwe7 folds
lilOUmikey checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Ac 5c]
lilOUmikey has 15 seconds left to act
lilOUmikey checks
chuli77 bets 1,000
Sidthekid8721 raises to 2,874, and is all in
lilOUmikey folds
chuli77 calls 1,874
Sidthekid8721 shows [8d Ad]
chuli77 shows [Jc Tc]
*** TURN *** [3s Ac 5c] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [3s Ac 5c Td] [3c]
Sidthekid8721 shows two pair, Aces and Threes
chuli77 shows a flush, Ace high
chuli77 wins the pot (7,898) with a flush, Ace high
Sidthekid8721 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,898 | Rake 0
Board: [3s Ac 5c Td 3c]
Seat 1: Brunno Orciuolo folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 (button) showed [8d Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 3: nwe7 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: lilOUmikey (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: chuli77 showed [Jc Tc] and won (7,898) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: raagz folded before the Flop
Seat 8: bskchamp folded before the Flop
Seat 9: bigfish4u folded before the Flop

Mapps1 said...

At the cash so Fucking typical, LMAO ,, all night,,,,hahaha

Full Tilt Poker Game #18220787051: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (137869793), Table 1 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:25:26 ET - 2010/02/06
Seat 1: Sidthekid8721 (3,620)
Seat 2: bostonbeagle (5,920)
Seat 9: golfaok (3,960)
golfaok posts the small blind of 300
Sidthekid8721 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [8c 8h]
bostonbeagle folds
golfaok raises to 3,960, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 calls 3,020, and is all in
golfaok shows [3d 3h]
Sidthekid8721 shows [8c 8h]
Uncalled bet of 340 returned to golfaok
*** FLOP *** [Tc Qd 3c]
*** TURN *** [Tc Qd 3c] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Qd 3c 6s] [9h]
golfaok shows three of a kind, Threes
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Eights
golfaok wins the pot (7,240) with three of a kind, Threes
Sidthekid8721 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,240 | Rake 0
Board: [Tc Qd 3c 6s 9h]
Seat 1: Sidthekid8721 (big blind) showed [8c 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: bostonbeagle (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: golfaok (small blind) showed [3d 3h] and won (7,240) with three of a kind, Threes

Mapps1 said...

True FT classic,, once again at the money,,,hahahahaha

BiotchesFull posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Qd Td]
patty_wan folds
mms buerger folds
Sidthekid8721 raises to 2,130, and is all in
BiotchesFull calls 1,830
Sidthekid8721 shows [Qd Td]
BiotchesFull shows [As Ad]
*** FLOP *** [Ah Kh Jh]
*** TURN *** [Ah Kh Jh] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Kh Jh 2d] [2h]
Sidthekid8721 shows a straight, Ace high
BiotchesFull shows a full house, Aces full of Twos
BiotchesFull wins the pot (4,260) with a full house, Aces full of Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,260 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah Kh Jh 2d 2h]
Seat 1: patty_wan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: mms buerger (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Sidthekid8721 (small blind) showed [Qd Td] and lost with a straight, Ace high
Seat 8: BiotchesFull (big blind) showed [As Ad] and won (4,260) with a full house, Aces full of Twos

E said...

i must say that I am blown away. I understand that in gambling just like any other game there must be winners and losers. however, I can't understand how when I play a satelite I have an above average outcome, but when I play sit & go I can't win shit. I am not a pro or even a semi-pro poker player, but the way I lose it is unbelievable. There were many times where I lost on the river and I did notice that it was numerous times to same individuals. Now, having said that is it possible for this to happen? YES. Is it likely?NO. I might not be great in poker but I am pretty good in math and understanding the odds. I am not an idiot and do not play against them, but there were so many incidents where I had a much superior hand, and even after the flop there was only slim chance for me to lose. But for some reason somehow these individualts go all in with the hand that I would wipe my ass with, and end up getting a turn and river in their favor. I just finished a tournament, and I have a tendency to go view and study certain last hands t better understand a player. There were individuals with stacks tripple my size that played, betted and on many ocasions went all in with unsuited Q4, pair of 55, suited 47 and won. Is it possible? YES, but is a bit hard to believe that individuals that play these hands can go from 3000 to 60000 chips, and honestly that was the case. LUCK!! Possibly, but very unlikely. I rarely play a garbage hand, and that's why when I play satelites and some tournaments I do OK, but when I play sit & go it's completly opposite.To sum it up, there are way too many coincidences.

Mapps1 said...

This is the best one yet,,, so classic to speed up play and move on to the next tourney buy in. We are final 9,, all cashed already.

Full Tilt Poker Game #18304460749: $12 + $1 KO Sit & Go (138533942), Table 1 - 1500/3000 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:15:53 ET - 2010/02/08
Seat 1: Shark365 (67,398)
Seat 2: Joggeli48 (15,808)
Seat 4: joe1350 (48,716)
Seat 5: YYR00000815 (33,247)
Seat 7: Sidthekid8721 (13,803)
Seat 8: deadmoneybill50 (91,028)
Shark365 antes 400
Joggeli48 antes 400
joe1350 antes 400
YYR00000815 antes 400
Sidthekid8721 antes 400
deadmoneybill50 antes 400
deadmoneybill50 posts the small blind of 1,500
Shark365 posts the big blind of 3,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Ks Td]
Sidthekid8721: OK
Joggeli48 has 15 seconds left to act
Joggeli48 raises to 15,408, and is all in
joe1350 folds
YYR00000815 folds
Sidthekid8721 calls 13,403, and is all in
deadmoneybill50 raises to 90,628, and is all in
Shark365 calls 63,998, and is all in
deadmoneybill50 shows [Jc Jd]
Shark365 shows [Kd As]
Joggeli48 shows [2c 2s]
Sidthekid8721 shows [Ks Td]
Uncalled bet of 23,630 returned to deadmoneybill50
*** FLOP *** [9d 9c 8d]
*** TURN *** [9d 9c 8d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [9d 9c 8d 8s] [7h]
deadmoneybill50 shows two pair, Jacks and Nines
Shark365 shows two pair, Nines and Eights
deadmoneybill50 wins side pot #2 (103,180) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Joggeli48 shows two pair, Nines and Eights
deadmoneybill50 wins side pot #1 (6,015) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Sidthekid8721 shows two pair, Nines and Eights
deadmoneybill50 wins the main pot (56,012) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 165,207 Main pot 56,012. Side pot 1 6,015. Side pot 2 103,180. | Rake 0
Board: [9d 9c 8d 8s 7h]
Seat 1: Shark365 (big blind) showed [Kd As] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 2: Joggeli48 showed [2c 2s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 4: joe1350 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: YYR00000815 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Sidthekid8721 (button) showed [Ks Td] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 8: deadmoneybill50 (small blind) showed [Jc Jd] and won (165,207) with two pair, Jacks and Nines

Chuck Rosseel said...

In my opinion Full Tilt Poker is rigged. Howard Lederer seems to have instructed the rng software writers to cause the FT deck to deal action preflop cards to 2 or more players often enough to ensure heavy betting and raising so Howard's profits from the rake are increased.

The suckouts on Full Tilt are way beyond any statistical variance. Lederer might soon find himself indicted by the US Government. Forbes article on Govenment Poker Crackdown If the Feds win their case against Howard and Full Tilt, there is a very real possibility Lederer will spend many years in federal prison. What angry, frustrated user of the Full Tilt Poker scam website wouldn't love to see that? Here's an article posing the question Is Howard Lederer a bigger online poker cheat than Russ Hamilton?

jimbob said...

Of course the site is rigged. I am a winning player and people come from behind to beat me 90 percent of the time to knock me out of tournaments with miricle runner runner cards. What a joke fulltilt poker is. Wanna see proof that fulltilt and pokerstars is rigged. Goto www.fulltiltisrigged.com

Robert said...

I keep waiting for a hungry lawyer to initiate a class action lawsuit. This is the only way to get these thieves attention. Individually you will get nowhere. The pattern I see here is incredibly bad beats by consistent losers. It is very rare that I have gotten knocked out of a tourney by a consistent winner. I want my money back plus damages.....how about the rest of you?

BRETHART said...

This page has some great information. Full Tilt is RIGGED. I could spend an hour telling you every reason why, but if you don't believe the info on this page; just try it. It won't take you more than a few days to realize you wasted your time. I recently started at Poker Stars and that site seems much more fair and realistic but even my play on Poker Stars I have started to question the realism on the site.

Mapps1 said...

YET ANOTHER FT FUCK ME,,,,WOW,, THEY JUST KEEP ON COMING,,,WOW,,,,LMAO,,,

Full Tilt Poker Game #18695235474: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (141863842), Table 4 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:37:26 ET - 2010/02/23
Seat 1: dogs10 (1,791)
Seat 2: dadofseven (2,155)
Seat 3: threerivers7 (1,375)
Seat 4: mindtrip954 (2,975)
Seat 5: ShibuyAta (1,375)
Seat 6: BozemanianDevil (2,184)
Seat 7: AmberDinola (2,810)
Seat 8: Sidthekid8721 (1,980)
Seat 9: JhnnyNav (2,740)
dadofseven posts the small blind of 25
threerivers7 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Ah Ad]
mindtrip954 folds
ShibuyAta folds
BozemanianDevil raises to 150
AmberDinola folds
Sidthekid8721 calls 150
JhnnyNav calls 150
dogs10 folds
dadofseven folds
threerivers7 folds
*** FLOP *** [2c Qd 5c]
BozemanianDevil bets 300
Sidthekid8721 calls 300
JhnnyNav folds
*** TURN *** [2c Qd 5c] [Kd]
BozemanianDevil bets 200
Sidthekid8721 raises to 1,530, and is all in
BozemanianDevil calls 1,330
Sidthekid8721 shows [Ah Ad]
BozemanianDevil shows [Ts Td]
*** RIVER *** [2c Qd 5c Kd] [Tc]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Aces
BozemanianDevil shows three of a kind, Tens
BozemanianDevil wins the pot (4,185) with three of a kind, Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,185 | Rake 0
Board: [2c Qd 5c Kd Tc]
Seat 1: dogs10 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: dadofseven (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: threerivers7 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: mindtrip954 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: ShibuyAta didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: BozemanianDevil showed [Ts Td] and won (4,185) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: AmberDinola didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Sidthekid8721 showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: JhnnyNav folded on the Flop

Mapps1 said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.........



Full Tilt Poker Game #18716254215: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (142048937), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:38:53 ET - 2010/02/23
Seat 1: LIL Leff (1,485)
Seat 2: Olavo_velarde (1,455)
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (1,395)
Seat 4: Burnafro (1,605)
Seat 5: inluvwitmoney11 (1,470)
Seat 6: Dewar (1,470)
Seat 7: lessonthree (1,500)
Seat 8: Shlinger (2,085)
Seat 9: sk-Ris76 (1,035)
inluvwitmoney11 posts the small blind of 20
Dewar posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [9d Ac]
lessonthree folds
Shlinger has 15 seconds left to act
Shlinger folds
sk-Ris76 calls 40
LIL Leff folds
Olavo_velarde folds
Sidthekid8721 raises to 120
Burnafro folds
inluvwitmoney11 folds
Dewar has 15 seconds left to act
Dewar folds
sk-Ris76 calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Kd 3s As]
sk-Ris76 checks
Sidthekid8721 bets 300
sk-Ris76 raises to 915, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 calls 615
sk-Ris76 shows [Ah 4d]
Sidthekid8721 shows [9d Ac]
*** TURN *** [Kd 3s As] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 3s As 7c] [4c]
sk-Ris76 shows two pair, Aces and Fours
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Aces
sk-Ris76 wins the pot (2,130) with two pair, Aces and Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,130 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd 3s As 7c 4c]
Seat 1: LIL Leff didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Olavo_velarde didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 showed [9d Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Burnafro (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: inluvwitmoney11 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Dewar (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: lessonthree didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Shlinger didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: sk-Ris76 showed [Ah 4d] and won (2,130) with two pair, Aces and Fours

Mapps1 said...

I should just write a fucking book,,HHHAAAAHHHAAA,,,

Full Tilt Poker Game #18716790451: $11 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go (142054157), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:01:28 ET - 2010/02/23
Seat 1: Sidthekid8721 (1,335)
Seat 2: JamelPoker (1,665)
Sidthekid8721 posts the small blind of 20
JamelPoker posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Ac Ah]
Sidthekid8721 raises to 160
JamelPoker calls 120
*** FLOP *** [4c 5d Td]
JamelPoker bets 1,505, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 calls 1,175, and is all in
JamelPoker shows [5s 6h]
Sidthekid8721 shows [Ac Ah]
Uncalled bet of 330 returned to JamelPoker
*** TURN *** [4c 5d Td] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [4c 5d Td 3c] [2c]
JamelPoker shows a straight, Six high
Sidthekid8721 shows a straight, Five high
JamelPoker wins the pot (2,670) with a straight, Six high
Sidthekid8721 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,670 | Rake 0
Board: [4c 5d Td 3c 2c]
Seat 1: Sidthekid8721 (small blind) showed [Ac Ah] and lost with a straight, Five high
Seat 2: JamelPoker (big blind) showed [5s 6h] and won (2,670) with a straight, Six high

Mapps1 said...

All I can say is WoW!!!!!!!!


Full Tilt Poker Game #18718126121: $11 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go (142063575), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:54:52 ET - 2010/02/23
Seat 1: _SAUER1000_ (2,420)
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 (580)
_SAUER1000_ posts the small blind of 40
Sidthekid8721 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Ac 9h]
_SAUER1000_ calls 40
Sidthekid8721 raises to 580, and is all in
_SAUER1000_ calls 500
Sidthekid8721 shows [Ac 9h]
_SAUER1000_ shows [4h Ad]
*** FLOP *** [4s Kh 4c]
*** TURN *** [4s Kh 4c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [4s Kh 4c 5h] [Kd]
_SAUER1000_: ty
Sidthekid8721 shows two pair, Kings and Fours
_SAUER1000_ shows a full house, Fours full of Kings
_SAUER1000_ wins the pot (1,160) with a full house, Fours full of Kings
Sidthekid8721 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,160 | Rake 0
Board: [4s Kh 4c 5h Kd]
Seat 1: _SAUER1000_ (small blind) showed [4h Ad] and won (1,160) with a full house, Fours full of Kings
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 (big blind) showed [Ac 9h] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fours

Mapps1 said...

The best fcking beat of night thus far,, un fcking real,,, I'm too far in to quick now,, but for any new FT players reading this,, look for another site,,, still LMAO,,,,
Full Tilt Poker Game #18723128126: $22 + $2 Sit & Go (Turbo) (142104677), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:41:50 ET - 2010/02/24
Seat 1: powerballtechno (3,360)
Seat 4: Sidthekid8721 (1,700)
Seat 6: zkboyz0311 (3,940)
Sidthekid8721 posts the small blind of 60
zkboyz0311 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Qs Kh]
powerballtechno raises to 360
Sidthekid8721 calls 300
zkboyz0311 folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8c Kd]
Sidthekid8721 checks
powerballtechno bets 3,000, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 calls 1,340, and is all in
powerballtechno shows [2c 4d]
Sidthekid8721 shows [Qs Kh]
Uncalled bet of 1,660 returned to powerballtechno
*** TURN *** [Jd 8c Kd] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 8c Kd 9d] [Qd]
powerballtechno shows a flush, King high
Sidthekid8721 shows two pair, Kings and Queens
powerballtechno wins the pot (3,520) with a flush, King high
Sidthekid8721 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,520 | Rake 0
Board: [Jd 8c Kd 9d Qd]
Seat 1: powerballtechno (button) showed [2c 4d] and won (3,520) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: Sidthekid8721 (small blind) showed [Qs Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 6: zkboyz0311 (big blind) folded before the Flop

Eric said...

Could you explain how this algorithm works that maximizes betting and how it takes into account the random behavior of humans. Also could some one post some hard data including the likelihood of the events you describe happen randomly?

Nick Maiorana said...

These hands don't read like your typical donk getting lucky. These hands sound more like a super user knowing what cards are on their way.

Full Tilt may have an internal integrity issue. These poker rooms can stop all this uncertainty just by incorporating DealGuardian into their games. No super users, no stacked decks, just pure poker.

Mapps1 said...

Why do I try or even complain,, WOW,,, I cashed,, but should have made much more,, This just didn't seem right,, this dude from France,, 3 hands in a row,, right at the cash,,,

Hand 1 --
Full Tilt Poker Game #18791415060: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (142691155), Table 3 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:29:51 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (10,125)
Seat 4: Verbalkint13 (23,940)
Seat 5: WillPlayAll999 (6,350)
Seat 6: guibrasileiro (7,180)
Seat 7: Aguli1 (3,705)
Seat 8: wizards (7,030)
Seat 9: 4kelly123 (9,170)
Sidthekid8721 posts the small blind of 300
Verbalkint13 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [4h 5c]
WillPlayAll999 raises to 1,800
guibrasileiro folds
Aguli1 folds
wizards has 15 seconds left to act
wizards folds
4kelly123 folds
Sidthekid8721 folds
Verbalkint13 calls 1,200
*** FLOP *** [2d 4c Kh]
Verbalkint13 checks
WillPlayAll999 bets 4,550, and is all in
Verbalkint13 calls 4,550
WillPlayAll999 shows [Ac Jc]
Verbalkint13 shows [Ks Kc]
*** TURN *** [2d 4c Kh] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [2d 4c Kh 8s] [Js]
WillPlayAll999 shows a pair of Jacks
Verbalkint13 shows three of a kind, Kings
Verbalkint13 wins the pot (13,000) with three of a kind, Kings
WillPlayAll999 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13,000 | Rake 0
Board: [2d 4c Kh 8s Js]
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Verbalkint13 (big blind) showed [Ks Kc] and won (13,000) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: WillPlayAll999 showed [Ac Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: guibrasileiro didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Aguli1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: wizards didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: 4kelly123 (button) didn't bet (folded)

Hand 2 ------
Full Tilt Poker Game #18791442654: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (142691155), Table 3 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:31:00 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (9,825)
Seat 4: Verbalkint13 (30,290)
Seat 6: guibrasileiro (7,480)
Seat 7: Aguli1 (3,705)
Seat 8: wizards (7,030)
Seat 9: 4kelly123 (9,170)
guibrasileiro posts the small blind of 300
Aguli1 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Kh Ks]
wizards folds
4kelly123 raises to 1,800
Sidthekid8721 raises to 9,825, and is all in
Verbalkint13 raises to 30,290, and is all in
guibrasileiro folds
Aguli1 folds
4kelly123 folds
Verbalkint13 shows [As Ah]
Sidthekid8721 shows [Kh Ks]
Uncalled bet of 20,465 returned to Verbalkint13
*** FLOP *** [7d 7c 5c]
*** TURN *** [7d 7c 5c] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [7d 7c 5c Jc] [Ts]
Verbalkint13 shows two pair, Aces and Sevens
Sidthekid8721 shows two pair, Kings and Sevens
Verbalkint13 wins the pot (22,350) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
wizards: wow nhs
Sidthekid8721 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22,350 | Rake 0
Board: [7d 7c 5c Jc Ts]
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 showed [Kh Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 4: Verbalkint13 (button) showed [As Ah] and won (22,350) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 6: guibrasileiro (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Aguli1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: wizards didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: 4kelly123 folded before the Flop

Hand 3 --- Shoot can't grab hand 3 was knocked out,, but it was QQ,, vs AK,,, and of course,, K hits on ther river to knock out another person,,, WoW,,,,,

Mapps1 said...

For anyone considering FT poker, look somewhere else,,,,,,,,,,

Full Tilt Poker Game #18803119298: $6 + $0.50 KO Sit & Go (142808874), Table 10 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:11:24 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 1: iwilcraku (2,970)
Seat 2: kdog54321 (5,130)
Seat 3: MrMassive (2,955)
Seat 4: coloradoutvol (2,970)
Seat 5: Sidthekid8721 (3,000)
Seat 6: bgibson1471 (2,850)
Seat 7: V6yodaman529 (2,970)
Seat 8: ItalianPride21 (1,185)
Seat 9: parkergirl88 (2,970)
coloradoutvol posts the small blind of 15
Sidthekid8721 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Ks Kh]
bgibson1471 folds
V6yodaman529 has 15 seconds left to act
V6yodaman529 calls 30
ItalianPride21 calls 30
parkergirl88 folds
iwilcraku folds
kdog54321 calls 30
MrMassive folds
coloradoutvol has 15 seconds left to act
coloradoutvol raises to 180
Sidthekid8721 raises to 540
parkergirl88 has been disconnected
V6yodaman529 calls 510
ItalianPride21 folds
kdog54321 folds
coloradoutvol has 15 seconds left to act
coloradoutvol calls 360
*** FLOP *** [2c 6s 3c]
coloradoutvol checks
Sidthekid8721 bets 2,460, and is all in
V6yodaman529 has 15 seconds left to act
V6yodaman529 calls 2,430, and is all in
coloradoutvol folds
Sidthekid8721 shows [Ks Kh]
V6yodaman529 shows [4c Kc]
Uncalled bet of 30 returned to Sidthekid8721
*** TURN *** [2c 6s 3c] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [2c 6s 3c 8c] [4s]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Kings
V6yodaman529 shows a flush, King high
V6yodaman529 wins the pot (6,540) with a flush, King high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,540 | Rake 0
Board: [2c 6s 3c 8c 4s]
Seat 1: iwilcraku didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: kdog54321 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: MrMassive (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: coloradoutvol (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Sidthekid8721 (big blind) showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: bgibson1471 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: V6yodaman529 showed [4c Kc] and won (6,540) with a flush, King high
Seat 8: ItalianPride21 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: parkergirl88 didn't bet (folded)

Mapps1 said...

The fun keeps rolling in,,,,,,,,,

Full Tilt Poker Game #18803405795: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (142798277), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:23:49 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 1: Breadrunner (4,160)
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 (2,585)
Seat 3: SplittoeDG (735)
Seat 4: JoeBlow1173 (1,980)
Seat 5: Sergey Shoooler (1,955)
Seat 7: Coot76 (1,330)
Seat 8: dallask45 (1,790)
Seat 9: sportzdoc (1,555)
dallask45 posts the small blind of 60
sportzdoc posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Tc Ts]
Breadrunner folds
Sidthekid8721 has 15 seconds left to act
Sidthekid8721 raises to 420
SplittoeDG folds
JoeBlow1173 calls 420
Sergey Shoooler folds
Coot76 folds
dallask45 has 15 seconds left to act
dallask45 folds
sportzdoc folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 5s Qh]
Sidthekid8721 bets 2,165, and is all in
JoeBlow1173 calls 1,560, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 shows [Tc Ts]
JoeBlow1173 shows [4h Ah]
Uncalled bet of 605 returned to Sidthekid8721
*** TURN *** [2c 5s Qh] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [2c 5s Qh 3h] [6c]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Tens
JoeBlow1173 shows a straight, Six high
JoeBlow1173 wins the pot (4,140) with a straight, Six high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,140 | Rake 0
Board: [2c 5s Qh 3h 6c]
Seat 1: Breadrunner didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Sidthekid8721 showed [Tc Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: SplittoeDG didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: JoeBlow1173 showed [4h Ah] and won (4,140) with a straight, Six high
Seat 5: Sergey Shoooler didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Coot76 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: dallask45 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: sportzdoc (big blind) folded before the Flop

Chris said...

Wow, Your post is long and wordy with no actual proof that full tilt is rigged. What I got out of your post was "I'm going to post some made up stuff because I know people will believe me and get my self some publicity". It's obvious that you didn't have anything to do with the development of the tiltware software. Your posts would be technical if you were actually a programmer.

Paul said...

Here's your evidence confirming what crazydiggiy originally sent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn66ACZkKXA

Chris said...

that 60 minutes video (which I saw when it aired the first time) in no way proves that full tilt is rigged, nor is it evidence that supports the original post that full tilt is rigged. The 60 minutes story only proves that an ex employee of Ultimate Bet got greedy and thought he could get away with it Ultimate Bet was probably not even aware that this was going on at first either, because of the perps security access. Which, however, he is getting away with it for now. The original poster said he was a programmer for the tiltware software. A story on UB/AP can't possibly support his claims. The original poster would need to prove that he was actually involved in the programming of the tiltware software in order for his claims to be credible.

Mapps1 said...

Yet another fucking FT classic. I can understand both all in's, but classic fucking FT.

Full Tilt Poker Game #18950254171: $20 + $2 Tournament (143825399), Table 4 - 100/200 Ante 20 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:49:58 ET - 2010/03/03
Seat 1: virbil kint (5,540)
Seat 2: b_winny80 (14,158)
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (10,123)
Seat 4: Aimhigh252 (8,483)
Seat 5: Ineedajeep (13,601)
Seat 6: Jalex211 (9,409)
Seat 7: ej13hak (9,006)
Seat 9: Robertogarbagio (7,136)
virbil kint antes 20
b_winny80 antes 20
Sidthekid8721 antes 20
Aimhigh252 antes 20
Ineedajeep antes 20
Jalex211 antes 20
ej13hak antes 20
Robertogarbagio antes 20
ej13hak posts the small blind of 100
Robertogarbagio posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Jh As]
virbil kint folds
b_winny80 folds
Sidthekid8721 raises to 600
Aimhigh252 has 15 seconds left to act
Aimhigh252 calls 600
Ineedajeep folds
Jalex211 folds
ej13hak folds
Robertogarbagio calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Th Ad Ah]
Robertogarbagio checks
Sidthekid8721 bets 1,000
Aimhigh252 has 15 seconds left to act
Aimhigh252 raises to 4,000
Robertogarbagio folds
Sidthekid8721 has 15 seconds left to act
Sidthekid8721 raises to 9,503, and is all in
Aimhigh252 calls 3,863, and is all in
Sidthekid8721 shows [Jh As]
Aimhigh252 shows [8h Ac]
Uncalled bet of 1,640 returned to Sidthekid8721
*** TURN *** [Th Ad Ah] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Th Ad Ah 8s] [7d]
Sidthekid8721 shows three of a kind, Aces
Aimhigh252 shows a full house, Aces full of Eights
Aimhigh252 wins the pot (17,786) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17,786 | Rake 0
Board: [Th Ad Ah 8s 7d]
Seat 1: virbil kint folded before the Flop
Seat 2: b_winny80 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 showed [Jh As] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: Aimhigh252 showed [8h Ac] and won (17,786) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 5: Ineedajeep folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Jalex211 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ej13hak (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Robertogarbagio (big blind) folded on the Flop

Mapps1 said...

AND THE BEATS GO ON,,, ALL I CAN SAY IS FUCKING WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!!

Full Tilt Poker Game #18950825019: $20 + $2 Tournament (143825399), Table 4 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:19:58 ET - 2010/03/04
Seat 1: virbil kint (10,975)
Seat 2: b_winny80 (15,103)
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (12,700)
Seat 4: Aimhigh252 (20,322)
Seat 5: Ineedajeep (12,886)
Seat 6: Jalex211 (5,524)
Seat 7: ej13hak (4,506)
Seat 8: TheKlutch (19,369)
Seat 9: Robertogarbagio (5,331)
virbil kint antes 50
b_winny80 antes 50
Sidthekid8721 antes 50
Aimhigh252 antes 50
Ineedajeep antes 50
Jalex211 antes 50
ej13hak antes 50
TheKlutch antes 50
Robertogarbagio antes 50
Aimhigh252 posts the small blind of 200
Ineedajeep posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sidthekid8721 [Ah As]
Jalex211 folds
ej13hak calls 400
TheKlutch folds
Robertogarbagio folds
virbil kint calls 400
b_winny80 folds
Sidthekid8721 raises to 12,650, and is all in
Aimhigh252 folds
Ineedajeep folds
ej13hak calls 4,056, and is all in
virbil kint folds
Sidthekid8721 shows [Ah As]
ej13hak shows [Td Ts]
Uncalled bet of 8,194 returned to Sidthekid8721
*** FLOP *** [5d 7d 9s]
*** TURN *** [5d 7d 9s] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7d 9s Js] [8s]
Sidthekid8721 shows a pair of Aces
ej13hak shows a straight, Jack high
ej13hak wins the pot (10,362) with a straight, Jack high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,362 | Rake 0
Board: [5d 7d 9s Js 8s]
Seat 1: virbil kint folded before the Flop
Seat 2: b_winny80 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Sidthekid8721 (button) showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Aimhigh252 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Ineedajeep (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Jalex211 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: ej13hak showed [Td Ts] and won (10,362) with a straight, Jack high
Seat 8: TheKlutch folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Robertogarbagio folded before the Flop

Trevor said...

Okay. It's rigged. Why on earth do you keep depositing money there and playing???

Mitch said...

I just closed my account at FT as I have just accepted the fact that regardless of how well you play, you will lose at most games on FT. When I started playing FT, I was garbage, and after a long stretch or reading and playing a lot of live poker at house-games and casinos, I have gotten noticabley better. I am not going to win a bracelet anytime soon, but I can hold my own and end up in the green at the end of most sessions. At FT, however, it goes out the window for a multitude of reasons:

ONE - starting hands. After being straight mystified about my opening hands, I finally decided to get some poker software to track my hands. Needless to say that after just under 10,000 hands, four of my top five hands are Q2, Q3, Q4, and Q7. In my top ten I can also add Q5, Q10. So, the "random" generator has dealt me Q's for 6 of my top ten hands. It's just not possible. Queens represent 7.7% of the deck, yet one of them is represented in 60% of my top ten hands.

TWO - Opponent hands. We have all seen this on Full Tilt - AA vs. KK. Problem is that it mathematically doesn't happen that often. Same can be said for all the times you see AA vs KK vs QQ. Damn near impossible, but at FT it happens repeatedly. People call it 'variance'. Oh, and how about when you are dealt the same cards with different suits in back to back hands? Do you know what the odds of that happening are (you can find them online or do the math yourself)? And isn't it amusing how lower pairs beat AA repeatedly, even postflop with only two cards left to go. Which brings me to . . .

THREE - River cards. I firmly believe that the hands are decided upon BEFOREHAND. So, you have AA, but you have only been assigned "PAIR" while the player to your left was assigned "THREE OF A KIND" and the player two to the left of him has been assigned "STRAIGHT". So, the trick now is to play what FT would classify as "poker", which is to run your opponents out before you get to the end. If you reach the river card and all cards are exposed, the person who seemed the underdog won the pot. Why? It would appear that the underdog caught lucky cards, but they didn't catch anything lucky. The underdog was the favorite from the beginning. This runs counter to this blog, but if you think about it, why does the river card decide SO MANY hands? Because the system is based on generating as many betting rounds as possible, so that players will use common betting principles to jack up the pot and increase the rake in the process. Does this reward any specific player? Not technically because it applies to everyone, but when 1 and 2 outters hit on the river continually, you know that one of the two-plus players is approaching all-in status because the odds are so much in their favor (this may run contrary to some commonly followed poker styles, but people play that way a ton). If you had two hands that had were more similar in value, the betting would not be as drastic, but AA vs. 33 with a board of 5 T J is going to generate some betting. And when that 3 hits on the river, it is going to cost the holder of the AA some cash (or chips).

In the end, the majority of FT players lose everything on a bad run, one in which they played great poker which should have maximized their profit, but in reality, cost them their bankroll because they lose to the most unlikely of scenarios. Not once, not twice, not three times, but over and over again. And the players sits there scratching their head wondering, "What the hell did I do wrong?" The answer is NOTHING, outside of try to beat a system that is corrupt from the start.

Find live games, and as long as you are not the definition of the word 'donk', you will see a drastic difference in your results.

Poker Invest said...

I have made good money at online poker http://allthatspoker.blogspot.com/ and would hate to think that these sites are rigged. I have to admit that I have thought on numerous occasions that, YES, poker sites (or some poker sites) are rigged. But sometimes I also have to admit that I play like a real dumbass. I mean sometimes I just make those plays that are just ridiculously dangerous and lose (especially if I'm on TILT). So yes, I play like a donk sometimes and other times, I am in the zone.
But I do have to say that there is something wrong when you get given a pair of AA, you go all in and someone calls you with 77 or KQs or whatever and you stare at the board as the cards unfold and you KNOW, you JUST fucking KNOW that you're going to lose.

LongLiveDesire said...

Dealt to NGNG-Brandon [Qc As]
NGNG-Brandon raises to $3
Crackur Jackz calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9h 7c]
Crackur Jackz checks
NGNG-Brandon bets $10.50
Crackur Jackz raises to $139.70, and is all in
NGNG-Brandon calls $27.50, and is all in
Crackur Jackz shows [Kh Qd]
NGNG-Brandon shows [Qc As]
Uncalled bet of $101.70 returned to Crackur Jackz
*** TURN *** [Qs 9h 7c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 9h 7c Ks] [Kc]
Crackur Jackz shows a full house, Kings full of Queens
NGNG-Brandon shows two pair, Kings and Queens
Crackur Jackz wins the pot ($81.50) with a full house, Kings full of Queens


Unreal, this happens more and more frequently too me. I am -1500$ on Full Tilt Poker and do not consider myself a bad player. It's just surreal all the strange occurences of these types of hands I lost against. Regaurdless to say, I uninstalled FTP and my other online poker applications. I can't trust an online program.

LongLiveDesire said...

Dealt to NGNG-Brandon [Qc As]
NGNG-Brandon raises to $3
Crackur Jackz calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9h 7c]
Crackur Jackz checks
NGNG-Brandon bets $10.50
Crackur Jackz raises to $139.70, and is all in
NGNG-Brandon calls $27.50, and is all in
Crackur Jackz shows [Kh Qd]
NGNG-Brandon shows [Qc As]
Uncalled bet of $101.70 returned to Crackur Jackz
*** TURN *** [Qs 9h 7c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 9h 7c Ks] [Kc]
Crackur Jackz shows a full house, Kings full of Queens
NGNG-Brandon shows two pair, Kings and Queens
Crackur Jackz wins the pot ($81.50) with a full house, Kings full of Queens


Unreal, this happens more and more frequently too me. I am -1500$ on Full Tilt Poker and do not consider myself a bad player. It's just surreal all the strange occurences of these types of hands I lost against. Regaurdless to say, I uninstalled FTP and my other online poker applications. I can't trust an online program.

LongLiveDesire said...

Dealt to NGNG-Brandon [Qc As]
NGNG-Brandon raises to $3
Crackur Jackz calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9h 7c]
Crackur Jackz checks
NGNG-Brandon bets $10.50
Crackur Jackz raises to $139.70, and is all in
NGNG-Brandon calls $27.50, and is all in
Crackur Jackz shows [Kh Qd]
NGNG-Brandon shows [Qc As]
Uncalled bet of $101.70 returned to Crackur Jackz
*** TURN *** [Qs 9h 7c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 9h 7c Ks] [Kc]
Crackur Jackz shows a full house, Kings full of Queens
NGNG-Brandon shows two pair, Kings and Queens
Crackur Jackz wins the pot ($81.50) with a full house, Kings full of Queens


Unreal, this happens more and more frequently too me. I am -1500$ on Full Tilt Poker and do not consider myself a bad player. It's just surreal all the strange occurences of these types of hands I lost against. Regaurdless to say, I uninstalled FTP and my other online poker applications. I can't trust an online program.

dieteasyice said...

What I'm noticing for the past several weeks is when I'm in a particular showdown and leading, I'm getting outdrawn just about 100 percent of the time. Here are the circumstances:
* I'm in a Heads up showdown.
* I'm all-in either pre-flop, on the flop or on the turn.
* I'm leading when the cards are exposed.
* My opponent has me covered in chips.
Result: My leading hand is outdrawn 100 percent of the time, even against a 2 outer.

I think my account is currently targeted for manipulation when this criteria is met. I've been bounced from tournament after tournament in this very same way for the last couple of weeks. I'm not ignoring that fact that I'm winning when in this scenario, I'm simply not winning any. The first "all-in" showdown when "I'm leading in the hand but trailing in chips" wherever I'm at in a tournament is my exit from the tournament. Early on or late stage, it doesn't matter. Once I noticed this consistency, I started paying attention to it specifically. Sure enough, it's been 100 percent for the last several days but I'm pretty sure it's been longer.

I'm actually playing on money I won from some free role cashes. I haven't deposited money on FTP in about 5 years, but have always had my cash account. I think this time I started with about $7.50 in free role cash and built it up to about $333 before I hit this latest stretch where I can't cash much of anything. The only few cashes I've made in the last several weeks is when I just make the money and I never was in a single showdown against a player who had me covered in chips. However, things seem normal for me when I have the bigger chip stack and I'm in a heads up showdown. I don't win them all when leading, but the odds seem normal regarding the outcome.

My conclusion about this outdraw scenario is that there is a algorithm designed to manipulate the showdowns against targeted players. My account is definitely targeted because it's happening every single time. The algorithm is weak because there seems to be no variant or randomness. Who wouldn't begin to notice this pattern? After reading the blogger's post, I certainly can understand how it's easy enough to design in. The dealer program knows what cards have been dealt and knows if outs are available for the outdraw and simply deals them out when this scenario is present. Sometimes the outdraw requires runner runner. I'm sure they have all kinds of schemes and they rotate these things around and target different accounts overall. I can't say my account is always targeted, but lately it has been.

Since I built up my cash to over $300, I've been playing in all kinds of SnGs and tournaments for cash and satellites. I've attempted a few bigger buy-in tournaments (24 + 2), as well as the lower stakes (anywhere from 2 to 12 dollar buy-ins). But since my current losing streak has me back down to about $40, its back to the low stakes only. I'm going to attempt a few more tournaments or SnGs and specifically avoid showdowns against bigger stakes unless I have an unbeatable hand at whatever stage I go all-in.

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Mark said...

I want to add my agreement that the scumbags at FTP are lowlifes. The site is rigged as hell, as you say. There is no point in posting my odds-defying litany of bad beat stories. They’re the same as all the rest on this blog: not explainable by any reason other than deliberate cheating. It really amazes me that the owners can’t just be happy making millions and millions of dollars. They have to phuck with the software so they can make even more money? It’s the same tired old story as the scumbag bankers and Wall Street criminals in my corrupt country: they feel compelled to suck the system dry, and the hell with the consequences. And PokerStars is exactly the same. I’d like Phil Ivey from FTP and Daniel Negreau from PS to come to my house and play on the sites they endorse under my user name. Then they’d be able to see for themselves the corrupt, greedy losers they’re taking so much money from.

I'm on Doyle's Room now and the fall of the cards is back to normal. What a relief! The thing I am hopeful about here is that, unlike the pros at the other sites, Mr. Brunson has his name at the TOP of the site. From what I can tell by his words and deeds, he doesn’t seem to be the type who would stand for cheating at a site with his name on it. My hope is that he has had a long talk with the programmers, and has let them know that he is determined to run an honest site. I believe that PokerStars and FTP design their own software, while Doyle’s room uses a third party software, Cake, that a number of other sites use. It seems to me that it would be a lot easier to rig the software and keep it a secret (like we can’t tell just by playing) when it is all done “in house.”

As of yet, I don't really know how play will pan out at Doyle’s Room in the long run. But I am hopeful. Nonetheless, if I see the BS start happening at this poker room that is happening at FT and PS, I will pull out again and move on.

Take care, all, and good luck

barnesc03 said...

I have now just about had enough off full tilt. The amount of bad beats, cold decks, and river jobbys i have had go against me is statistically just not right. When i first started playing on FT i deposited $30 and slowly made this into $700. Once i got this much i new that there would be a losing streak around the corner so i withdrew $400 leaving me with $300. Since i have done this, there is simply nothing i can possibly do to win no matter what i do. %90 of the time i would get my chips in ahead be it pre-flop, after the flop or on the turn, and atleast %90 i end up losing. I am now down tp $30 and theres no way, after experiencing some of the beats ive taken that i will be going back to full tilt. I would suggest to anyone to play live cash games if you want a fairer and realistic way to play poker.

joe said...

having also suffered the same beats, im assuming the winning strategy is easy, but its definitely not poker. the way i see it, ill just make sure i have more chips than my opponent and make sure that his hand is better than mine, then make a donk shove to ensure my suck out. if there is some flaw in this logic would someone please let me know?? thanks a million (to be paid when full tilt stops cheating and hires a third party to deal its cards)

Paulwall said...

Full Tilt....shake my head. What a joke. I really wish I read all of these comments before I decided to play full tilt i really could have saved some money. I play online on facebook and the hands and table cards are so much more realistic. What you see on full tilt is retarded. Ive never seen so many pocket pairs in my life. Ive played in some tournaments on tilt and have done really well. Once I finished 6th out of 750+ ppl. I have no idea how this happened. But it seems once i had the high chip count on the table i was unbeatable. However, after this remarkable event i started losing everything. I even created rules because what was coming out on the tables was such bs. Never go all in preflop. when i have AA always always someone else has another pocket pair ready to take me out. You win in fulltilt occasionaly but that is just the trick to keep you playing. How much is full tilt making on us? I even try to convince myself that Im crazy how could fulltilt be rigged. But seriously its not just a coincidence. Ive gotten to the point where I can predict who the hell is going to win. NOT ME! so why bother play? cuz you win big sitngo and feel confident all of a sudden but then lose it all in a week. Thats what they want. I fell for it. It sucks but I cant change it now its too late. Time to move on no more online poker for real $. Im convinced that Fulltilt is rigged and there is not one person who could convice me otherwise. Ahhhhh that felt good-----:)

Steve said...

Yes its rigged. I bought in with 25$ turned it into 92$ playing 25/50 cent limit in two days. Then the third day nothing but set ups and getting sucked out on the river by junk. All my big pocket pairs cracked- 3 of my sets beat by bigger sets in one day? Like day and night-running well to not being able to win a hand no matter how solid I am. UB is 10x more balanced. Stay away from Full Tilt!

Steve said...

By the way just to give you an idea of the odds of getting your set busted by a bigger set on a 6 player table. True odds are around 220 to 1 that one set will beat another on a given hand, which means its 440 to 1 that your going to be on the losing side of that. It happened to me 3x in one day, which is 1 in 440 to the third power or 1 in about 85 million. Divide by the number of hands I played-lets be liberal and say 800. That means the odds are 106,000 to 1 against getting your set busted three times in a day by a bigger set where you play 800 hands at a six player table. Is Full Tilt rigged? Hell yeah.

Emile said...

I do agree with you.
I have been playing poker for about 7 years now and i know that sometimes you are in a good run and sometimes you are not. But eventually luck works in both ways.

Lately i just make a note of the ''coin flips'' i push allin preflop and get called. or the other way around.

for example my last 9 hands (all 20+2 sit&go):
KK vs JJ Lost
99 vs A9 Lost
KQ vs JJ Lost
55 vs A5 Lost
K10 vs AA Lost
A8 vs 10 9 Won
AJ vs 6 8 Lost
AJ vs KQ Lost
a6 vs 9 10 Lost

So im ahead in +-80% of the cases and also losing about +-80%. im not a good mathematic but i know the chances are pretty slim.

James said...

Me too, boys. I believe Full Tilt is 100% rigged, period! As some of you folks on here, I also noticed the nice run after depositing money and then the bad beats begin, ending your run and depleting your bankroll. Full Tilt is a joke and should be shut down. Everybody involved with Full Tilt including the pros getting paid to advertise and support Full Tilt should be jailed.

Daniel said...

Hello guys. I really want to post my experience in full tilt poker because I don't want anybody to waste their money there. I love poker and I have made a lot of money from it. I started playing full tilt poker couple months ago and started with a $100 deposit. I made around $800 in a single day. I took the best decisions, trapped the donkeys, and made excelent plays. I never won because I went all in in the flop and I hit the river. The next day, I played the whole day and I had full times around three times and lost again a bigger full house! The worst thing was that this guys would made the full house on the river. Another classic example would be the Aces against kings. I have folded several times queens or kings because you know your opponent and you know he may have Aces when you have kings or queens. However, when this guy goes all in and you have aces you call right? what happens... He hit the damn card. This guys did not even have a high pocket pair! They just hit the damn 3 and they had pocket 3s or 5s. So i started to play in sit and gos. You have more chances to win there, but still you will lose several times because of bad beats. The other day i had pocket aces and decided just to call just to trap.One guy raises preflop 240 chips and the blins were 15/30. He had 3,4.Another guy just called and I raised to 880. He called. The other guy folded. Flop comes 10 3 3. First of all, how would you call such a raise with 3 4 off suit? He hit the river with a 4 making it a full house. You will find here people who make illogical calls and illogical raises. Yes, they will call you 80 bucks in a 1/2 cash game looking for an inside straight draw. Eventually, they will hit. They will call your 14 bucks re raise with 5 8 off suit and hit a straight in the flop. Is it coincidence to have bad beats so many times in a row? In full tilt poker, yes. I might sound pissed off here, and in fact I am. I am because many people are being robbed here. Everybody can share a bad beat once in a while. But I still wonder how can you share so many bad beats when it comes to online poker and not when you play live? I don't know how the system works. But i guarantee you that you will be really mad asking yourself what in the hell u did wrong in that play. What are the odds of two people flopping sets? This is so classic too in ftp. The only reason why im posting here is because I really don't want you to spend your money. It's all up to you.

Kole said...

KQ vs JJ Lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really your unpaired fish hand didn't hit(KJ) or one of two overcards got paired with those 5 (FIVE)cards that are yet to come.... how's that even possible, in poker the best starting 2 card win ain't that right???????? NO. You have to play 5 cards that's it. If you feel lucky and want to take the 60-40% or 70-30% chance then play more hands.

And I see ace rag lost vs connectors what an outrage...well maybe A6 isn't such a monster after all maybe you will lose 4 times out of ten in that situation.

I want to believe that what is on the left side is not necessarily your hand when you push, if yes then good job pushing with KT, I guess it was suited (+2%) who could resist the temptation...

It's an online poker room you will not have physical tells, there will be no lady shaking like hell with the aces and your buddy won't make the typical tell he always does. You got to play the right way and do it constantly for hundreds of thousands of hands and I literally mean well over 100,000 hands. Thats more then you played live your entire live and still it's not necessarily enough. So it's not rigeddness it's just that harder.

Paul said...

I am also a semi-professional player. I have been playing on Full Tilt Poker for about 4 years now. I think a lot of you are forgetting that when you move up in stakes, the games are much much harder and require the proper bank roll management skills to beat those levels. Remember, variance always takes its toll and if you don't have the proper bank roll management discipline to move down when you are getting creamed you are going to get creamed. I have had my fair share of bad beats. Straight flush loose to Royal Flush, Quads over Quads, Quads loose to Straight Flush etc but I have put some bad ones on others too. I worked my way up from 10c/25c to $25/$50. It is not rigged. You play about 4 to 5 times more hands in an hour so you are likely to see 4-5 more bad beats and anything is possible. It is like a fatal car crash, you never think it's going to happen to you, but it can. If he is a 1% chance, that means 1 in 100 hands, he is going to hit it. So if you play say, 80 hands per hour. 10 hours a day for 10 days. That's 8000 hands. So if he is a 1% chance in say 200 different hands, he is going to hit it twice. Now go over a whole month, thats 8 times. Now if it's AA vs KK. He is a 16% to win. So times that 2 times by 16. 32 times in 10 days if you are lucky enough to get Aces 200 times in 10 days :) Online poker is faster and is a different type of game because of the players. Make the right decision in different situation. Don't be sour about it. Fix the leaks in your game and move on.

jessicasdcali said...

Full tilt is fixed the only people who win are people who are too lucky or too stupid to lose. I can't explain all of the bad and I mean statistically impossible bad beats I've seen playing full tilt over the last two years but I'll just say the last hand I lost I had Kh 10h raise, K 2 off goes all in I call he gets the only card he can to win, a 2. The only patterns I have noticed on full tilt are- the ace always comes and the heart flushes. They come alot. And half the time when your ahead, ridiculously ahead, they catch wutever card it is, the only card they can catch to win no matter how improbable it is.

jessicasdcali said...

I just posted a comment above... I just had AA, raised, called an all in of pocket 4's (preflop) Guess what? flop comes 242.....go figure.

Breck said...

is this a place for all u losers to whine? i guess im an acception to the rule

Roberta said...

I have to agree that full tilt is a rigged site. I have lost a LOT of respect for Ivey and all the rest who own and endorse the site. I have played on many sites and haven't see half the rigged hands.

Almost all their games are turbos, superturbos and now rush poker because all they care about is getting the games over quick.

There is no such thing as playing with skill on that site. But, I am smart. I have not donated a penny more.

Miketheactor said...

I have won over 4 years over 40 thousand on Party Poker and then our incompetent Congress made it illegal to transport money to offshore accounts. After four years on Poker Stars and a year and a half on Full Tilt I am staedily but surely losing a little bit. I believe bot sites are thoroughly rigged based on extensive personal experience. Was I "just lucky" at Party Poker? Not a chance as my largest win in four years wasa mere 1800!! I played the same games and style on all three sites. You must feel it out for yourself and VOTE WITH YOUR FEET!! From personal experience at the Mayfair in New York, in my opinion Howard Lederer is a thoroughly overrated buffoon.

Finally the easy test on this question is to ask your online friends. How many of you out there know anyone who is winning a net fifty grand or more? Or better yet how many friends do you know personally who have finished in the top three of a million dollar tournament when they were not already stuck a lot of money? Spare me the details for they are BS. Go Party Poker and vote with your feet - stay away from the online cancers - Full Tilt and Poker Stars. Remember few if any of you even know a single person up more than 50 grand online - case closed!!

Michael Ostrowski

Elliot said...

I also believe FTP is rigged. I was a loyal customer until this weekend. I lost a couple thousand at FTP on horrible beats.

I think we should start wearing Anti-Full Tilt Poker shirts, jackets, and jersey's? There customer service is horrible. They get back to you in 3-5 days. They don't make the game fair and I've never been so frustrated in my life.

I HATE FULL TILT POKER and go Fuck yourselves. I'm going to wear a logo of FTP and cross it out so all can see on tv.

Villan R.I.P said...

Some say it's rigged and some say it isn't.But opinions have nothing to do with facts.The fact is that online poker sites like FTP,PS, and all the rest are an illegal and unregulated form of gambling in north america."Unregulated" "illegal" what part of these to words is hard to understand.Online poker is a "RIGGED" offshore scam with millions of 'SUCKERS' oops... i mean people placing real money wagers and losing billions of there hard earned dollars,and after there moneys gone there left scratching there heads and wondering if it's rigged.Well, duh!!!!

Barcs99 said...

I have to agree with the general consensus here. It's definitely rigged. I've never lost so many 80%ers in my life. Yes, I know the hands come faster so you see more of everything, but the fact remains that I lose hands against 2-3 outters at least 3 out of 5 times. It varies sometimes, but the statistical odds never add up. I should win those roughly 80% of the time.. but it's not even close to that. I've also noticed that the big stacks win the coin flips and dominated hands much moreso than the small stacks. The stats don't lie. I thought I was just really unlucky, but after reading this blog I don't think so.

Chris said...

These sites are currently "Unregulated" yes, but "Illegal" no. There is no law on the books that makes online Poker Illegal. The UIGEA does nothing to illegalize online poker.

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bear186wd said...

Yes, Full Tilt is completely rigged. This afternoon during a 1 hour span playing nine handed I had KK vs AA and QQ vs AA. With the QQ hand, I pushed all in from the button when the SB had the AA. Besides these hands, I lost with a set of nines to a set of aces, my flush was beaten by a full house on the river and a guy beat my trip aces and a seven kicker with a full house, aces over twos with the two coming on the river. All these hands had highly improbably outcomes. I sent Full Tilt two emails already with a withdrawal request of my $13, but so far they have refused to answer. This is after I already complained to FT about the amount of times I have picked up KK vs AA. They say their random card generation is independently certified, but this is a crappy argument because FT pays the so-called verifiers. What are the verifiers going to say after getting a check from FT, that the site is rigged? Of course, not. My advise to all is to stay away from FT. Fortunately, I only lost about $30 as I'm a good player and a winning player with multiple cash-outs at Bodog. The other sites that I've seen as bad as FT are Pokerstars and Absolute Poker. Bodog is ok, but they have their share of rigging as well. At least they won't deny your cash out request. Heed my warnings about FT and GL all. Hopefully the word will get out about FT and these other sites and people will stop playing there.

bear186wd said...

Let me say one more thing, our time on Earth is so short. 10 or 20 years from now do you really want to look back at your life and say that you were addicted to online poker and wasted a couple of years on the computer trying to win a couple of bucks? Basically, the people who created these sites and the pros that promote them are vampires sucking the life out of you. Do you really want to be a victim because that's what you are? If you really have the urge to play, do it right and play for real at a casino.

Chris said...

In any poker game, there are winners and losers. Just because you can't win any hands doesn't mean the site you are playing on is rigged. I for one paid off my student loans of over $60,000 and paid off my car of over $30,000 by money earned from playing on Full Tilt Poker. I have no affiliation with Full Tilt Poker other than I play on there quite a bit. If Full Tilt Poker is rigged, then it must be rigged in my favor, however, I'm not sure why they would pick me to have an advantage.

bear186wd said...

In response to the last post, Chris, you are either a serial liar or a paid blogger by Full Tilt. Yes, it is rigged. The high frequency of KK vs AA hands is just the icing on the cake. Ignore this poster.

bear186wd said...

In further response to the post by Chris, above, let me point out how absurd your post is based on what you wrote. You say you've made $60K playing on Fulltilt, enough to pay for college and a car. So, even though you've done that well for yourself, you just had the inclination to seek out this negative blog on FullTilt and post your comments in defense of the site. If you truly were that successful, then why even take the time to bother posting? I would be counting my money and spending it, not wasting time on what you would think is an idiot blog.

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Lastly, I just want to shed light on this misconception (and online poker sites' main argument against rigging) that poker websites make their money from the rake and tournaments fees. This is plain false. The rake and tournaments fees are just a fraction of their revenue. Their main revenue stream is from peoples' deposits, which they end up keeping when players bust out. So it is in their interest to see that you bust out rather than win. Only when you cashout does the poker site lose money, which becomes then a business expense for them. That's why sites like FT make it so difficult to cash out by having a minimum level, requesting proof of identification, etc. But they're more than happy to accept your $10.00 deposit with an e-check which you can make with the "single" click deposit feature (oh how easy!). By having a high minimum level, they believe they can bust you out before you'll ever reach that level by having you not only go against nine other players but also going against the house with their rigged dealing. Those aren't good odds at all and explains why only 10% of players are winning players. The rest lose. Again, don't let yourself be a victim of these sites, they are vampires.

Mike said...

I've been knocked out on the river 16 times in the past 23 tourneys playing on FT (many of them losing to 2 or 3 outers). I am not exaggerating as I've started to keep track. I've been playing on there for about 3 years and always questioned whether the cards were "rigged" for action. I wanted to believe that it was legit and the beats were just as a result of seeing so many more hands per hour, but I just don't see how losing on the river at this frequency is statistically possible. The majority of the time I've lost on the bubble in a S&G. I understand that there are bad beats and bad runs, but losing over and over and over again on the river just smells of some sort of card manipulation. It's a shame because I enjoy playing cards online, but feel like I'm throwing money away when I lose so often on the river.

Crazydiggity said...

To the most amazing poker god in the world,
CHRIS.

PLease post your full tilt name so we can look you up on sharkscope. I will be willing to bet that you havent even made money.

Heres your post. Lets see a name so we can check it.

In any poker game, there are winners and losers. Just because you can't win any hands doesn't mean the site you are playing on is rigged. I for one paid off my student loans of over $60,000 and paid off my car of over $30,000 by money earned from playing on Full Tilt Poker. I have no affiliation with Full Tilt Poker other than I play on there quite a bit. If Full Tilt Poker is rigged, then it must be rigged in my favor, however, I'm not sure why they would pick me to have an advantage.

bear186wd said...

As another follow up, last night on Full Tilt I had two nut straights beaten within a span of five minutes by full houses on the river in all-in pots. Then this morning I had my ace high flush cracked by quads. I have been playing on Bodog for years and can tell you that I might be beaten by quads every six months. Quads on Full Tilt appears quite frequently. So not only is Full Tilt rigged in terms of losing hands improbably on the river, you also get shafted by juiced dealing. It's such a scam it makes me sick. Don't waste one penny at Full Tilt. If you want to play, really, try Bodog. I can honestly testify that you can win there and cash out without a problem.

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Jimmy said...

site is definitely rigged! i just uninstalled it myself after numerous river beats and so on....is there a site out there that is decent?

basil said...

Deposited $26 to play one of their $24 + $2 guaranteed tourneys. I cashed, and built my bank roll up to around $800. This one guy, RandomFish666, has knocked me out of two tournaments with the most horrible plays and getting rewarded on the river. Check RandomFish666's stats, they are great. One hand he called my raise with AA with 36....flopped an open ender, pushed me all in and won. The other time I raised with 99, he was the only caller with KJ. Flop comes K95. I bet, he pushes me all in(Slightly covered)....turn 10.....river Q......

basil said...

And here is some video proof of what the blogger was saying how it wants action....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niNHxpDqLtI

Darren said...

the patterns do seem to be so similar, let you win a bit and then wipe you out. Im suspicious of all sites but Full Tilt just feels "different" - there is more action, more excitement.

With other sites its fold, fold, fold. with full tilt you seem to get better hands more regularly that then lose.

Im off to another site - i love rush poker but they are not getting another penny of mine.

Leonardo Soares Maia - Turma A said...

lets cut the crap and stop speculating: has any professional player kept a record of at least 100 thousand hands and confirmed that the pattern can't be random? cause if not, i should tell ya, streaks are normal, and online they're more frequent because you SEE MORE HANDS (probably people already told ya that a thousand times and you ignore them).

well so far i havent deposited a penny in full tilt simply because they gave me a bankroll, and im breaking even because im a mediocre player. i have noticed nothing abnormal. and ill never deposit, so i dont see how they could take advantage of me in any way

Dek said...

Have to agree with everyone, Full Tilt seems very odd. I've been playing for years in my spare time, I'm not a pro but I do know how to play. I've made several thousand on PKR, over a long period, but the 3D and slow games irritated me, I want to play a faster game so I went to FT.

The pattern is always the same, I play SNGs mostly and after the first deposit I was winning 9 of 10 games...but I felt something was wrong even then...yep, if you understand the game and have seen many thousands of hands it's hard to admit that things are running in your favour just that bit too much, you feel like you're just damn good, but actually it's just the start of the pattern.

Soon you go up one level, or have a pop at a few big tourneys, and suddenly the bad beats start eating at your cash...they want you to top up.

Today was the last straw. All in Pre flop I've had these bad beats in the space of maybe 2 hours, one game after another (6 handed sngs, 6 games in total) -

AA v JJ - J on flop - out
AA v QQ - Q on flop, quad Qs river - out
AA v Q7 - Q on flop, 7 river.- out
KK v QQ - Q on flop - out
AA v 66 - 6 on turn - out

I've also had a royal flush within those couple of hours, and though that wasn't the deciding hand I won that sng.

It looks odd doesn't it to have so many great hands and be losing money so fast? Both very lucky and 'unlucky' at the same time.

If I count hands over a slightly longer period (last 2 days) I've also had a whole mass of other bad beats when I'm holding premium hands, especially in mtt's when I get moved from a table where I have the big stack to a table where the chip leaders are sat. Then I'm losing with AQ against KQ over and over and over, FH beat by quads or better FH, set beat by set.

One notable all in PF, in an sng down to the last 3, I have the chip lead. I raise with AQ suited and this guy puts me all in. He has 79 off. Flop is A5Q, turn is 6, river 8. I mean I know donks do this but the guy had been playing solid and when he makes the straight he starts with BS about his pre flop odds being right, I swear he knew it was coming, he just wasn't acting like the usual donks.

All sounds like a rant by someone on a bad run...maybe it is a bad run...but I've experienced it before too many times. Deposit - win $$$ for 2 weeks - then suddenly no amount of right moves can stop the money going bye bye. Every bone in my body tells me it's rigged and the explanation given rings very true.

Also...it's not like online poker rooms haven't been caught cheating before is it!?

Can we get more inside info?

By the way FT are not the only ones... so which sites are honest?

raiderjoe40 said...

OP is a fucking thief if he is telling the truth....dont forget this FACT

luvdoinit said...

I agree with it being rigged. All of whats been said I've experienced countless times. Its disgusting to me, I play good solid poker but have my face rubbed in dog.... for doing so. All the sites I play on are bad but ft is by far the worst of them all. Never in all my years of playing have I had the string of beats I get from online and ft in particular. The experience I have as does a friend of mine and we are barely making a profit against total morons who have no clue, its absurd.

Any poker book will tell you if you consistantly get you money in when ahead you will crush the game. Well these books were talking about real poker not this online bs we are playing. I am a good player and I rarely get my money in bad but I am barely up as I keep losing to all the miracle cards you all have talked about and seen hit against you to. How is this possible to keep getting my/our money in with huge favorites yet keep losing? Its not possible unless the odds dont play out as they should.

Odd's. How is it a winning live player goes online and loses his shirt? If he was a winning chess player live he will still be a winner in chess online. So how can a live winning poker player lose onlnie. It makes no sense unless you look at one key area, the odds. The odds dont play out as they are suppose to.

Poker has been around for hundreds of years, do you actually think hyper agg players are new to the game? No they've been around from the first, the big risk takers. Their problem was they were not of the online generation of players. They had to play real poker, live poker which meant their chasing flushes and str8's gut shots, calling with bottom pair, calling huge reraies of all in with small pocket pairs or suited crap, all those type of players lost their asses. They lost because they were playing REAL poker not online video poker. Ok they are still losing money online but not at the rate they should be. Online bails them out to keep the money floating around the site to be eaten up in rake and fee's.

Online is rigged and to those who say we are just a bunch of losers crying, this is not true. Most the players I know who feel as you and I feel are winning players and they all say online is not a legit game.

If you think online is legit you are stupid, unobservant or a shill for some online site or forum making money from online sites.

Irv said...

Gentlemen,there is no doubt in my mind that the site is rigged. However I have found a great way to take advantage of the situation which you too can use. Whenever I enter a real money large field tournament about half of the time I make the small money, but the site NEVER allows me to go deep. I am a very experienced player (30+ years) and found it hard to believe that I could never get into the significant money, so I started keeping detailed records. What I found was that in the crucial situations later in tourneys I was losing over 90% of my races and often took horrible bad beats. I would tell other players in my city of my findings that the site was rigged but few people believed me. It was then that I came up with a clever way to take advantage of the non believers. (Afterwards some of them became believers) What I started doing was fading my races and bad beats. I would bring the non believers over to my computer and give them an irresistable 10% edge and bet against myself on all of my all in situations at crucial times. It has worked TREMENDOUSLY. I am ahead over $50,000. It is like taking candy from a baby because the crooks at Full Tilt rarely let me down as my losing in these situations is virtually guaranteed! I could probably give the non believers a 25% edge and still make money. Just tonight I had 3 races (7-7 vs AJ, QQ vs AQ, and an even more profitable AKs vs A4). Like death and taxes I lost all 3. There are other profitable patterns as well(US players win over 70% of races against non US players.) Check this out for youself. Instead of getting frustated by all of my bad beats I now look forward to them! I am willing to share this info because there seems to be an endless supply of non believer suckers.
I would wish you good luck but trust me you really don't need it !

Brad Carson said...

I'm convinced Full Tilt must be rigged. Use a poker tracker to keep track of your hands. Maybe we can pool them together. I've also taken screenshots of these unreal suckouts that happen all too frequently. If we have enough hands we can prove that Full Tilt is a cheat. I just hope I don't have a heart attack first. 8 people busted my premium hands calling me in and catching weird flushes and unbelievable straights on the damn river. It's just not statistically possible.

christina said...

i have been playing full tilt poker for about 3 years and am a solid player i have cashed out about 4k against about 1k worth of deposits but i too believe the game is rigged. i seem to go on really big streaks until the point where i cash out about half my bank roll as soon as i cash out i go on the biggest losing streaks imaginabe. lose every race cant hit 14 outers and then take the finishing blow from a 2-3 outter although i am beginning to see when i am going to lose but i still cant get off the hand cuz i know im a huge favorite. as im writing this i did just deliver a huge suckout to some one in a 3.30 knockout sit n go lol but that dosent happen for me often but i think its cuz im usually get my chips in good and dont play like a donk good luck at the tables i believe ftp is rigged and its frustrating cuz i wanna be able to cash out money and still build a bankroll but i cant complain 2 much cuz i am up

jimmal65 said...

I have deposited once at ftp and did o.k. for a bit and like all others here lost it.
I started playing the freerolls and built it up to $100. Since then it has been down hill the last 3 months, I have been getting rivered by 4 outers when I am sitting there with 16 outers or an already made quality hand.
I play alot of the play chip games there simply because I don't trust the software.
It has long been a theory of mine that they let the maniacs that come in the room raising every hand and playing crap win purposely to let them think they are good so they will deposit and play real money.
I will still play there mostly for the freindships I have made with some great people and still play the occasional cash game with the remaining cash I have there, but I will never deposit there again based on my observations and the postings here.

ferroottavio said...

Hello. I'm italian and open my account two weeks ago.In first day i won with a optime flop, many set tris,and many monster...but after 3 days i begin a lost...strange because my play not changing...a lot hands lost at river when i've 90 and more % of possibility...i have understand that software rigged...is not possible that many AK whit A or K on the bord and their set...now i change my play stile ...i raise whit many ugly hands and many playars on fold and if no fold i hope in the flop, the thing strange that i win more that in past!!!!....last hand i 6 9 , raise on BB 0.10c of 0.30, one players call, board 5 7 9 , i'm all.in and call my opponent with AK...i win 10$ !! with 6 9 vs AK, my stile is change ,i win more with bad hand that monster...is very very strange...sorry for my scadent english! i hope understand me....bye.

Stagematch said...

I did not want to believe the site was rigged. But this last week i had so many horrible bad beats. I hit the nut flush i a heads up match. The guy hit a set of kings on the flop. The turn is a deuce and what a miracle he hits the KING ON THE RIVER! If this was a one time situation, i would say "thats poker! But this is not poker baby. Let me give an example of how Fulltilt works. I deposited a couple weeks ago $ 12,- I lost $ 4, 40 and then i played Rush for an other $ 4,40. I won $ 97,- i thought yes this is my winning week. I whitdraw $ 50,- and leave the rest to play. Here comes the miracle of Fulltilt lose almost half my money on runners and two outers. Im convinced that wen you make a deposit you slighty have an advantage their happy. But when you cash out you lose everthing to stupid bad beats. The donks call whit a trash hand and get rewarded. Im like come on the guy has two outs and always hits the river. When im shortstack an have a hand like AK the guy has AA. Im not a pro but if i play live i make an average of 200 euro a week. I keep having the same strategy live as online. But it never seems to work for me online!

Brad Carson said...

The winning and losing streaks seem to be modulated somehow to keep you coming back. I put down another $100 and doubled it up pretty quick and then the next night I was losing almost sure wins - just had a 2 hour session where I lost to a higher full house (that caught on the river), higher flush beat my flush (again, on the river), full house to a quad, etc... It's totally unreal. I swear to God I'm playing against computer players who have analyzed my betting patterns and then once I push all-in with a sure hand the rig the turn or river. I've yet to go through and analyze my play logs to substantiate my conspiracy theories though. ;)

Mike said...

its rigged. period. end of story

if you think the website isn't going to try to increase their profits any way they can, you probably work for the company.

online poker is wildly unregulated. there isn't a single reason for them to not milk this.

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Mike said...

placed 6th in the Rush Poker 10 cent tourney... next day I have lost on every table to a river suck out...

frogger said...

I completely agree that FT is rigged and the cards don't come out anywhere near how they would if you are playing in a live game. Some of the beats I have seen lately and mostly been apart of have been completely ridiculous.
I'm starting to question how I even play the game and if it's me.....? I'm scared of being dealt AA or AK as 9/10 times they will always be beat.
Over the last few days I have been taking screen shots of these beats and emailing them to Full Tilt Support, now I seem to be getting even more. I wonder if they can manipulate a players account to lose even more when someone questions the way the card are being dealt and creating problems from them???
I am compiling all the bad beats of been apart of or even seem lately and am going to post them on a website. Actually someone should build a website so people could post screen shots on it for all to see.
Is there actually a legitimate online site where people have found cards being dealt realistically?

frogger said...

I completely agree that FT is rigged and the cards don't come out anywhere near how they would if you are playing in a live game. Some of the beats I have seen lately and mostly been apart of have been completely ridiculous.
I'm starting to question how I even play the game and if it's me.....? I'm scared of being dealt AA or AK as 9/10 times they will always be beat.
Over the last few days I have been taking screen shots of these beats and emailing them to Full Tilt Support, now I seem to be getting even more. I wonder if they can manipulate a players account to lose even more when someone questions the way the card are being dealt and creating problems from them???
I am compiling all the bad beats of been apart of or even seem lately and am going to post them on a website. Actually someone should build a website so people could post screen shots on it for all to see.
Is there actually a legitimate online site where people have found cards being dealt realistically?

Nick Maiorana said...

The only thing I can add is that my partners and I created a 3rd party shuffling/dealing service to combat this issue. The poker rooms won't even talk to us. It's up to the players to get them to look into what we have. DealGuardian was designed for fair play and hole card security for the player.

IW said...

Jesus Mapps1.. did you go out of your way to play most of the hands you posted about as bad as possible?

Mark said...

Hey Frogger,

I've been playing at Doyle's Room for many months now and the deal seems to be legit, at least so far. Because of my past experience at FT and PS, when I hit a bad run of cards on DR, I immediately get suspicious. But the "odds pendulum" has always swung back in my favor and I get my share of good cards again. As to FT and PS, I had to leave both. I had the same experience as so many others there: the bad run of cards starts and it never stops. And the way I saw it happen was mostly always the same: two or more players all in after the flop and the turn and river hit the players' hole cards, over and over, with mind-blowing frequency. In my mind, there's no doubt it's rigged.

Doyle's Room does have a few cons: 1) User interface is a bit clunky, but you get used to it. 2) They charge you $50.00 to send you a check when you cash out. 3) It has the weird glitch where you get the same value cards dealt to you twice in a row fairly often: not the same suits, but the same value.

All in all, however, it's been a profitable and delightful experience. Just give me a fair deal and I can handle a little bit of downside. Without a fair deal at a particular site, you're a fool if you keep playing there. (But if I ever run across the same kind of crap at Doyle's Room that I did at FT and PS, I'll be paying $50.00 for my check and moving on !)

Ryan said...

I will never play on Full Tilt again...what a seriously bullshit site. I lost 600 dollars on there in the space of 1 hour. I said to my wife it feels like I am playing against two entities. My oppponents and the casino itself.

I got involved in a hand where I had the nut flush and nut straight draw after the flop, about a 300 dollar pot I'm all in and nothing hits on the turn or river. I had about 20 outs or something to win. This guy wins with a full-house on the river (I think he had 4 outs or something to hit after he had two pair). What was suspscious about this hand is the way he re-raised preflop..I mean he re-raised two people's raises after two raise swith 6732 (unsuited)up to 30 dollars on the .5|1 table????????? Who the hell re-raises preflop with a hand like that???!! It was just too pre-determined like...like I was being sucked into the draw for my all-in.

Anyway after repeated bad-beats against my opponents and the "second player" (FT - the casino)...and reading all the negative feedback from the internet..I will never play here again...bloody corporate fuckers...site it RIGGED to the max...I play the same game at Ladbrokes and have an 80% win rate...why I ever played on FT is a mystery in the first place.

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luckyjedi said...

I have been playing poker for quite some time. I am not going to say I am the great poker player but I do decent. I play live games and online and I can tell you with almost full certainty that online poker is for the most part rigged, especially full tilt.

I agree with most posters that the program is engineered to support bad play. Now it doesn't do that every hand but I do believe they somehow programmed the software to reward bad hands or underdogs a higher percentage of times. possibly 2 or 3 times more than it should if it were a true random number generator. I understand as do all poker players that beats happen in live games as it will in online games but the consistency of beats in percentage is quite abnormal.

Its like walking into a room where a murder happened. You just know something just doesn't feel right. That something is just wrong.

I know there are a lot of bad beat hands that people have touted here but let me just add on to that with a few of my last hands that I got hit with hard.

1: I start with AdKd. I raise from the small blind and only the dealer to call. The dealer position reraises double what I put in. I shove all in because this guy has been making moves on people all tourney. He calls and we have about the same amount of chips and has me barely covered. He flips over Kh6c.
And then the flop comes Kc 6h 6s. and the rest blanks.

2. I have QsQc from the 6th position. I have a call before me and I reraise 2.5 times. I have a one caller in the 9th spot and the original caller folds. Flop comes Qd 2h 2c. I raise half the pot. He shoves. I call and he turns over 2d 2s. And lets just say the last queen never showed up.

3. This isn't just one hand but explanation of many hand stretch over a good 11 hour period. Over these 11 hours I must have seen roughly 12-15 of these hands. And I only won 1 of em. Ever go into a hand preflop with the higher kicker? Well I lost something like 13 out of 14 of these in these 11 hours. AK loss to A8 with 8 on the river. KQ loss to K5 with trip 5's. etc etc.

Now I have a ton more beats like QQ losing to Q4 with the 4 making a straight on the river. but all these I just told you happened in 1 day. and just the most recent of my beats. this pattern on full tilt seems to rear its ugly head too many times. And seriously does not feel like anything that would happen at the live games I attend over the same stretch of hands.

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vanessa said...

yes, fulltilt poker is rigged, and i am yet another person cheated of money because of the ridiculous turn out of cards in many of my losing streaks..

κανενας said...

first of all excuse my english because they are not so good..

i live in greece unfortunatly here we dont have poker in casinos(its illegal because the casinos doesnt win always),house-games arent so easy to found..

so online poker its the only solution if you want to get good and make some money on your way.

i start playing at pokerstars for about 4years ago,but im playing too long time in my house for fun but no money :(..anyway at PS i had make a deposit of 20$ and start playing 2$(180)sitngos...

i make to 110$ in six hours and took the 50 so i had 60 more to play and 50 in my pocket.

from then i wasnt able to pass the 120$ in no way.i could easyly turn the last 5$ to 119$ and then bad beats start..one after another and for years the same.profit 50$ every week.not very much for the time and the suet...

so i move to full tilt...i make the same deposit 20$ and start playing.
the first day i make to 145$.second day 480$ and third day 720+270(6th in daily dollar-my 1rst d.d.)...

that was strange i said to myself in 3 days turn 20$ to 1600$ with 2.20 sitngos and in PS 110$? ps is rigged i thought..

lets say about full tilt.i make every week about 250$ without loosing enything from my money and start thinkig is alright in here,and i have seen 60munites and lots of forums and videos on youtube.

the problem is this:you cant ever be a winning player for a long time in online sites especialy in the low buyins.

the system sees your a winning player and set up the cards for you.

you will keep going to the last 40(for example)when the 35 paid and then you WILL get cracked fantasticly!!

i mean you know that and you are very tight and carefull when you bet or call and you had aj and the flop is ajj and the other guy raise that he will propably got qq and a q will come to the river..always!!!

or when are 36 and you are the 2nd cheapleader and you got aa and you get called by the first with anything preflop start packing from now..

i have many cases of 99,8% posibilities to win and lost on the river by 1-2 outer.almost every time.

in the end they are both crooked through the top.
maybe i win,maybe i loose the fact is the same they are rigged and you will never get''rich''by playing online.

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9deucewhat said...

full tilt poker is a joke i have noticed that everytime me or one of my friends deposit money on full tilt after we havent played for a while we run really good then like a day later or a couple days later were busto wtf! me and my buddy deposited 60 dollars and full tilt about a week ago built it up to 300 the same day started playing again the very next day and it was just bad beat after bad beat, now i have deposited like 3 more times right in a row and its nothing buck sick beats the latest one is i have j10 flop comes akq haha i flop the nuts i get it all in with a4 and a6 the turn comes an ace the river comes a king thats just so dirty and doesnt ever happen in real life!!!!!!!! so fuck full tilt!

9deucewhat said...

full tilt poker is a joke i have noticed that everytime me or one of my friends deposit money on full tilt after we havent played for a while we run really good then like a day later or a couple days later were busto wtf! me and my buddy deposited 60 dollars and full tilt about a week ago built it up to 300 the same day started playing again the very next day and it was just bad beat after bad beat, now i have deposited like 3 more times right in a row and its nothing buck sick beats the latest one is i have j10 flop comes akq haha i flop the nuts i get it all in with a4 and a6 the turn comes an ace the river comes a king thats just so dirty and doesnt ever happen in real life!!!!!!!! so fuck full tilt!

jdirty said...

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/random-number-generator

Here is a page from the Full Tilt Poker website, THOROUGHLY EXPLAINING the RNG's (Random Number Generators) are completely random and fair.

Here is an excerpt from the article:
...
The Full Tilt Poker RNG system consists of several independent layers. Each layer is capable of producing random sequences, and any one layer alone is sufficient to guarantee that the final output is random. This includes two types of hardware RNGs that produce truly random bit streams, and two separate levels of software RNGs that draw upon the enormous wealth of effectively random sources throughout the entire poker site. In the very unlikely event that one system malfunctions or is compromised, the game would continue to be perfectly random due to these fail-safe measures.

In order to ensure and demonstrate the security and fairness of our card shuffling procedures, Full Tilt Poker has obtained official RNG certification from an independent accredited testing facility. This is a comprehensive analysis during which Full Tilt Poker submitted detailed information about our RNG systems, including hardware components, software source code, complete documentation, and servers for testing.

The RNG's, hardware components, software source code, doc's and actual servers were submitted to an independent 3rd party that specializes in software security and quality management. Cigital works internationally with major financial and c...ommunication corporations as well as governmental agencies to reduce business risks and ensure the highest standards of quality control.

Cigital, Inc. was contracted by Full Tilt Poker in February, 2009 to evaluate a representative random number generating system consisting of the VIA C7 hardware random number generator (RNG) chipset and supporting software.

Testing was conducted at Cigital’s labs in Dulles, Virginia, USA. Output of the random number generator was tested using two well-known test suites: the FIPS 140-1 statistical test suite from the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and "Diehard," a well-known and publically available collection of statistical tests.

Software supporting the acquisition and subsequent use of entropy from the RNG were analyzed, both in source code form and in execution. Cigital based its determination on the results of statistical tests and the inspection of source code.

Cigital found that when the hardware entropy source is used with the supporting software provided and in the configuration described, that together they produce statistically random and unpredictable output. Considering typical methods for exploiting RNGs and given their understanding of the source code, Cigital does not believe it is feasible for players to either know or alter the operation of the RNG under normal operating conditions.

jdirty said...

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/random-number-generator

Technical Systems Testing (TST) Accreditation
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Technical Systems Testing

Technical Systems Testing (TST) is one of the best established accredited testing facilities in the gaming industry today. Recognized and well-respected worldwide, TST is accredited by the International Standards Organization (ISO) and has a long history of providing fully independent and impartial evaluations.

Full Tilt Poker has received official TST certification for our RNG systems. TST’s evaluation methods are focused on testing the numerical distributions and unpredictability of the RNG system. This process involves understanding how each component works, how those components are scaled and integrated into the complete RNG system, and how the full system actually performs by analyzing the raw output stream.

TST has verified, through expert mathematical and statistical analysis, that the Full Tilt Poker RNG system generates numbers in a non-predictable manner, producing a fair distribution, and lack of bias toward any particular outcomes. Each of the tests for randomness, which include the scientifically rigorous "diehard" tests designed by seasoned mathematicians, adheres to the highest standards established for the gaming industry.

jdirty said...

All of your post's have just been proven wrong. Dont you all feel like idiots now?

The Full Tilt Poker system, in it's entirety, has been tested by 2 independent, well-known security analysis companies that have given certifications to Full Tilt guaranteeing that the system is fair and completely legitimate.

Both analysis companies are widely respected throughout the industry for giving fair and unbiased analysis.

Eat your heart out

Nick Maiorana said...

That's all and good, but who installs the software on every FT Poker server? Not the accreditation company, nor some third party. How are you sure that FT is installing and using the accredited software on all their servers?

TruthSerum. said...

Full Shidd Poker, or Tiltware is a joke. It is a scam to take your money. Tiltware has 3 lawsuits. Why is this? What tiltware does is when you first sign up it lets you win a little to give you reenforcement. Then when you put money, or deposit, it takes it. This is a proven fact. If you use a hud, and go to any freeroll, ftp real money tournament, or any event such as this, the people with no games yet, or limited games are always the chip leads late. Always. Also its possible if you beef with full shidd they will target you. I believe I may of been targeted. Every penny I put on this site is robbed. Every single cent. Its pretty ridiculous. Let me tell you a few bad beats. I'm playing PLO and I am dealt KKAT or something with two suited. The flop comes King and two low meaningless cards. I know how messed up this site is, so I shove. Two newbies call me. The turn and river and runner runner straight and flush draws. This is out of nowhere. The flop was three different suited cards, no straight or flush anything, and the turn river and straight and flush runner runner. Are you serious?

Then I am given like 9963 or something and the flop comes 963 or something like that. I shove, and this time I even call it. I say its going to be runner runner for a straight, and sure enough its runner runner straight.

**What tiltware does, is it memorizes your hand history and how you play, and then gives you set up hands. Once you put your money with these set up hands, each time you will incur an abnormally bad beat. This is why when you first start playing, lets say a different game, you do alright, then when you develop a style of playing, the bad beats occur.

You have to be a fool to deposit money on Tiltware, because you are not getting it back.


-- Also this idiot jdirty full tilt worker, who is this guy fooling? The key word in his ridiculous comment is "Gambling". There is nothing legit about tiltware, it is NOT random unless random means reward every donkey hand, what it does is memorizes your hand history and destroys you with set up hands. Tiltware is a joke. And jdirty tiltware worker, give us your id so we can sharkscope you, and lets see your poker records on other poker sites.

TruthSerum. said...

Full shidd is guarenteed scam. The reason why some poker sites can get away on their excuse of variation on 100k hands is because they have some way of scamming everyone of their money before they have a chance to feel the variation. This is also why bankroll management is important to get ahead of their cheats.

An example is I'm playing in a .05/.1 NL holdem for fun, and I am playing very tight. I was also playing a 1on1 so wasn;t focusing on the nl game. I noticed EVERY SINGLE time it gave me a hand, the guy to my right, a big stack, would raise me .40. This happened about 5 times at seperate occasions. And I also noticed every time it gave me a hand, like 5s, 7s, 8s, other people always had Queens, Tens, or the flop would always miss. This happened continuously the entire game. Finally, they set me up with AK of diamonds. The idiot to my right raised again .4. This time I call. The Flop is like 4 Ace 9. I check, he bets, I checkraise, he calls. Turn is 5. I shove, he calls and shows 2 3. Who the fck plays 23 like that? Basically set up hand. This idiot raises 4x the bb with bb, after raising every pot, i reraise him 3x and he calls and sucks out on turn with nothing. This is just blatent. They set me up continuously the entire match and I just kept folding away murder attempts. Finally I play one, and bam, im out. I figured full shidd tiltware out. Any time you play above your bankroll, it is set up to get you broke. I dont care how much money u have or dont have, if you play too much into your bankroll it will get you broke. I also realized there are players who may be full tilt workers, who continuously hit everything and are out to bust u. Its pretty sick.

After this display of blatent idioticy, even after a good run in an Omaha H/L tourney only because it was my first time playing that game and I gues they hadn't studied how I played. Didn't take them long after getting into top 5, a idiot pushes me all in and gets runner runner straight. Deposit on Scamware= fail. Stay away is my advice. And if you already have money, better play in low games compared to your bankroll, or your going broke in 10 minutes.


Anyone who says Tiltware is legit is a tiltware worker.

noe_heart said...

Ok ive been playing poker professionally for over 2 years now.. Mostly live poker $1/$2 cash games... I’ve made a comfortable living with profits every month within my last year of play.. So I’ve decided to play on full tilt.. Starting off with $100 bankroll at $0.02/0.05 cent tables.. just to use proper money management skills and build a bankroll.. Maybe i could work my way up and play professionally online also.. But ive noticed I have become extremely frustrated with this fultilt.. i have played over 20,000 hands in 2 months and have not seen not nearly the gains i do in live poker.. actually i haven’t gained anything.. Im constantly pickn up blinds and killing limpers in position with big hands. But hardly no action with big hands. That’s where most of my gains come from.. but im losing large amounts of money when I’m called and sucked out on, mostly on the river.. don’t play pocket queens threw nines.. u will almost always flop a low flop and be up against a set.. now i have had my share of bad beats in live poker.. and i can get away from some bad beats.. but when it happens 3 or 4 times in a row???.. the amount of bad beats are discouraging.. it has me adjusting my game to a timid passive player just because of the fear of being sucked out on… Aggressive pre flop play is a huge mistake.. I use a program called hold em manager to track my hands.. and it clearly shows that most of my losses of due to suck outs..

Ryan said...

I myself have played probably at every online pokersite site known to man. It started about 3yrs ago. I have probaly lost close to 40,000 during that time, cashed out once for 1G at Ultimate Bet. I only deposit $100 at a time. Do the math of deposits. (Frikken insane) it is scary to think that after all the time and money that has been lost I still choose to play. I can take $100 on UB and turn into a G in a little over a day (don't know when to quit (greed) ), the catch that I found is that you need to play specific cards and hold your hole cards for a specific amount of time in order for it to work. The first time you stray away from the pattern you will be bumbarded by bad beat after bad beat until you lose it all. Full Tilt I used the same pattern and turned 100 into 5,000 in a little over 2 days. Lost it playing limit in about 2hrs 50-100 blinds once FT realized I was going to make a withdrawl was when I seen some of the weirdest bad beats ever,(funny but sad story behind the details of this fuck up)bottom line is. I am 100% convinced that online poker is rigged, flip side I know it is beatable as well! See you at the Donkament on Sun. on AP

3DOGSDOWN (GL IN LIFE)

Moovyz said...

There will be several parts to this post...

I have been playing semi-pro poker for 32 years. I have been studying poker DILIGANTLY for more than 10 years. I wrote for Poker Digest (before they went under) for 2+ years. I say all this because I want everyone to understand that I am NOT an idiot! I know the game better than 99% of the world. To show everyone that I am a solid player I will posts a few facts (as I track every session for 10 years)...

I have NEVER had a losing year in 32 years!

I have never made less than $15,000 in a single year, playing part-time only.

I have played with many of the best players in the world. In 2,000, while dealing at the Mohegan Sun and playing very often at Foxwoods, I won 6 NL Holdem events in a 22 week stretch. I cashed in over 50% of those events. I was well known and acknowledged by my fellow players as one of the best in the room at NL Holdem Tournament Poker. During that year, Greg Raymer won 5 of those events. 2 years later, he won the Main Event at the WSOP.

Moovyz said...

part 2...

Just recently, I played a 2 month stretch of mostly $5-$10 Buyin NLHE at Ultimate Bet. I cashed in more than 60% of events entered. I did not win any evens during that stretch but I did have some high finishes and made over $600 playing less than 70 events.

I believe that, for the most part, UB is safe and honest. I do have a few instances that gave me enough pause that I would never risk more there but all in all I think it's ok. It is run by an Indian tribe in Canada with a solid rep.

Now, let's talk about FTP. Last year I decided to play a bit more serious as I became disabled and needed to suppliment my income. I played a few events but I decided to play mostly live ring games at $1-2 NL. Now, here are the facts for my first 3 weeks...

I set an amount at which I would be satisfied for the session of at least $200. I won EVERY SINGLE DAY for 23 straight days! That's right, I won $200 or more every day for 23 days. Some days were higher but it was apporximately $5,000 in 3 weeks.

In the next 3 days, I LOST EVERY SINGLE CENT! I either got cold-decked (KK in my hand, wow AA in my opponents hand) or bad beat in every hand where I ended up all-in. Now get this, I counted more than 40 times I was allin AND AHEAD, and I lost 95% of those hands! Mathematically speaking, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to lose more than 50% of hands if you are ahead.

During that time I played a dozen or so NLHEs with little or no success. Obviosly, I decided not to play there.

Moovyz said...

part 3...

But I did decide to go back this month after doing fairly well at UB. I liked UB but I wanted to win some bigger prize monies for finishing in the top 98%. At UB a finish of 22nd in a $6 NLHE would only return $25 or so. The same finish at FTP would net me several hundred.

Now remember, I was cashing in 60% of events at UB, most with 1,000 players or more.

I have been playing at FTP for 3 weeks on a $200 bankroll at $5-$24 NLHEs. I have not been able to cash in more than %10 and rarely past the bubble. In every instance, I have the best hand when the money goes in yet I can't survive the bad beats. As I am typing this I just called an allin of more than average stack with AK (I was original raiser PF and placed a pot size bet on a flop of A 8 3 rainbow). I called the allin shove of a gut on his CHECK RAISE with A7o. Of course the 7 hit the river.

This is again a daily occurance of losing 90% of my allins WHEN I AM AHEAD! This is NOT mathematically possible!

But there are a few that really stand out as "proof" of some funny business.

On one hand I had 86 hearts in the BB with NO raise PF. The flop was K83 with 2 hearts. A gut bet a few hundred into a $1300 pot. I raised him $4,750 with my middle pair and flush draw. He insta called (of course with enuf to cover me) with 10,2 offsuit! A 10 hit the turn and I missed the flush.

Now someone please explain to me how ANYONE, EVEN A TRUE BEGINNER COULD MAKE THAT CALL! Even if he knew I had only bottom pair, he's drawing to 3 outs with no flush or straight possible. It is totally inconceiable that anyone would make a call like that. I watched carefully to see if he was an idiot and I saw no indications of a delusional player. He did however knock several people out and was always the chipleader at my table.

I have tried to be the professional player that I have been for 32 years and try to believe that it's just a bad run of cards. But I have determined that it is NOT possible that this can continue to happen 3-4 times a day EVERY DAY!

It is always the same... at or just after the bubble, I get a huge pair (AA KK or QQ) ernd up allin against a bigger stack and they have a bigger pair OR I get sucked out on. But the %s are astronomical! You simply can not mathematically lose more than 50% of hands headsup when you are ahead yet I continue to run at a 90% or worse loss rate in these situations.

My money is being withdrawn as I speak. I am going back to UB and grind and have some fun. Stay away from this site and Pokerstars. They are both rigged. And if you wonder how or why a site that makes so much money would do such a thing??? Well the answer is simple... Right now they make more than a million dollars a day in rake at either site at 10% rake or vig. If they have a few computer players finish just in the Top 10 or so and they trim just 10% of the prize pool, they DOUBLE the amount they take in daily. Give a few hundred thousand a month to the techs and you've got yourself a very tidy little scam going with little or no danger of recourse as they operate in a non-extradition country on an island with crooked banks.

There it is. I can't prove a thing but I can tell you from 32 years of playing and more than 6 years of dealing poker... what happens online is NOT possible! It doesn't happen in real life, there's no reason to believe that it could happen naturally just because of a deviation. I want desperately to find someone who can use computer software to travk some of these situation but alas, I don't know any computer wizzes. They probably all work for these sites.

Play live! Play good.

Moovyz said...

part 3...

But I did decide to go back this month after doing fairly well at UB. I liked UB but I wanted to win some bigger prize monies for finishing in the top 98%. At UB a finish of 22nd in a $6 NLHE would only return $25 or so. The same finish at FTP would net me several hundred.

Now remember, I was cashing in 60% of events at UB, most with 1,000 players or more.

I have been playing at FTP for 3 weeks on a $200 bankroll at $5-$24 NLHEs. I have not been able to cash in more than %10 and rarely past the bubble. In every instance, I have the best hand when the money goes in yet I can't survive the bad beats. As I am typing this I just called an allin of more than average stack with AK (I was original raiser PF and placed a pot size bet on a flop of A 8 3 rainbow). I called the allin shove of a gut on his CHECK RAISE with A7o. Of course the 7 hit the river.

This is again a daily occurance of losing 90% of my allins WHEN I AM AHEAD! This is NOT mathematically possible!

But there are a few that really stand out as "proof" of some funny business.

On one hand I had 86 hearts in the BB with NO raise PF. The flop was K83 with 2 hearts. A gut bet a few hundred into a $1300 pot. I raised him $4,750 with my middle pair and flush draw. He insta called (of course with enuf to cover me) with 10,2 offsuit! A 10 hit the turn and I missed the flush.

Now someone please explain to me how ANYONE, EVEN A TRUE BEGINNER COULD MAKE THAT CALL! Even if he knew I had only bottom pair, he's drawing to 3 outs with no flush or straight possible. It is totally inconceiable that anyone would make a call like that. I watched carefully to see if he was an idiot and I saw no indications of a delusional player. He did however knock several people out and was always the chipleader at my table.

I have tried to be the professional player that I have been for 32 years and try to believe that it's just a bad run of cards. But I have determined that it is NOT possible that this can continue to happen 3-4 times a day EVERY DAY!

It is always the same... at or just after the bubble, I get a huge pair (AA KK or QQ) ernd up allin against a bigger stack and they have a bigger pair OR I get sucked out on. But the %s are astronomical! You simply can not mathematically lose more than 50% of hands headsup when you are ahead yet I continue to run at a 90% or worse loss rate in these situations.

My money is being withdrawn as I speak. I am going back to UB and grind and have some fun. Stay away from this site and Pokerstars. They are both rigged. And if you wonder how or why a site that makes so much money would do such a thing??? Well the answer is simple... Right now they make more than a million dollars a day in rake at either site at 10% rake or vig. If they have a few computer players finish just in the Top 10 or so and they trim just 10% of the prize pool, they DOUBLE the amount they take in daily. Give a few hundred thousand a month to the techs and you've got yourself a very tidy little scam going with little or no danger of recourse as they operate in a non-extradition country on an island with crooked banks.

There it is. I can't prove a thing but I can tell you from 32 years of playing and more than 6 years of dealing poker... what happens online is NOT possible! It doesn't happen in real life, there's no reason to believe that it could happen naturally just because of a deviation. I want desperately to find someone who can use computer software to travk some of these situation but alas, I don't know any computer wizzes. They probably all work for these sites.

Play live! Play good.

Moovyz said...

part 3...

But I did decide to go back this month after doing fairly well at UB. I liked UB but I wanted to win some bigger prize monies for finishing in the top 98%. At UB a finish of 22nd in a $6 NLHE would only return $25 or so. The same finish at FTP would net me several hundred.

Now remember, I was cashing in 60% of events at UB, most with 1,000 players or more.

I have been playing at FTP for 3 weeks on a $200 bankroll at $5-$24 NLHEs. I have not been able to cash in more than %10 and rarely past the bubble. In every instance, I have the best hand when the money goes in yet I can't survive the bad beats. As I am typing this I just called an allin of more than average stack with AK (I was original raiser PF and placed a pot size bet on a flop of A 8 3 rainbow). I called the allin shove of a gut on his CHECK RAISE with A7o. Of course the 7 hit the river.

This is again a daily occurance of losing 90% of my allins WHEN I AM AHEAD! This is NOT mathematically possible!

But there are a few that really stand out as "proof" of some funny business.

Moovyz said...

part4...

On one hand I had 86 hearts in the BB with NO raise PF. The flop was K83 with 2 hearts. A gut bet a few hundred into a $1300 pot. I raised him $4,750 with my middle pair and flush draw. He insta called (of course with enuf to cover me) with 10,2 offsuit! A 10 hit the turn and I missed the flush.

Now someone please explain to me how ANYONE, EVEN A TRUE BEGINNER COULD MAKE THAT CALL! Even if he knew I had only bottom pair, he's drawing to 3 outs with no flush or straight possible. It is totally inconceiable that anyone would make a call like that. I watched carefully to see if he was an idiot and I saw no indications of a delusional player. He did however knock several people out and was always the chipleader at my table.

I have tried to be the professional player that I have been for 32 years and try to believe that it's just a bad run of cards. But I have determined that it is NOT possible that this can continue to happen 3-4 times a day EVERY DAY!

It is always the same... at or just after the bubble, I get a huge pair (AA KK or QQ) ernd up allin against a bigger stack and they have a bigger pair OR I get sucked out on. But the %s are astronomical! You simply can not mathematically lose more than 50% of hands headsup when you are ahead yet I continue to run at a 90% or worse loss rate in these situations.

My money is being withdrawn as I speak. I am going back to UB and grind and have some fun. Stay away from this site and Pokerstars. They are both rigged. And if you wonder how or why a site that makes so much money would do such a thing??? Well the answer is simple... Right now they make more than a million dollars a day in rake at either site at 10% rake or vig. If they have a few computer players finish just in the Top 10 or so and they trim just 10% of the prize pool, they DOUBLE the amount they take in daily. Give a few hundred thousand a month to the techs and you've got yourself a very tidy little scam going with little or no danger of recourse as they operate in a non-extradition country on an island with crooked banks.

There it is. I can't prove a thing but I can tell you from 32 years of playing and more than 6 years of dealing poker... what happens online is NOT possible! It doesn't happen in real life, there's no reason to believe that it could happen naturally just because of a deviation. I want desperately to find someone who can use computer software to travk some of these situation but alas, I don't know any computer wizzes. They probably all work for these sites.

Play live! Play good.

Moovyz said...

part4...

On one hand I had 86 hearts in the BB with NO raise PF. The flop was K83 with 2 hearts. A gut bet a few hundred into a $1300 pot. I raised him $4,750 with my middle pair and flush draw. He insta called (of course with enuf to cover me) with 10,2 offsuit! A 10 hit the turn and I missed the flush.

Now someone please explain to me how ANYONE, EVEN A TRUE BEGINNER COULD MAKE THAT CALL! Even if he knew I had only bottom pair, he's drawing to 3 outs with no flush or straight possible. It is totally inconceiable that anyone would make a call like that. I watched carefully to see if he was an idiot and I saw no indications of a delusional player. He did however knock several people out and was always the chipleader at my table.

I have tried to be the professional player that I have been for 32 years and try to believe that it's just a bad run of cards. But I have determined that it is NOT possible that this can continue to happen 3-4 times a day EVERY DAY!

It is always the same... at or just after the bubble, I get a huge pair (AA KK or QQ) ernd up allin against a bigger stack and they have a bigger pair OR I get sucked out on. But the %s are astronomical! You simply can not mathematically lose more than 50% of hands headsup when you are ahead yet I continue to run at a 90% or worse loss rate in these situations.

Moovyz said...

part 5...

My money is being withdrawn as I speak. I am going back to UB and grind and have some fun. Stay away from this site and Pokerstars. They are both rigged. And if you wonder how or why a site that makes so much money would do such a thing??? Well the answer is simple... Right now they make more than a million dollars a day in rake at either site at 10% rake or vig. If they have a few computer players finish just in the Top 10 or so and they trim just 10% of the prize pool, they DOUBLE the amount they take in daily. Give a few hundred thousand a month to the techs and you've got yourself a very tidy little scam going with little or no danger of recourse as they operate in a non-extradition country on an island with crooked banks.

There it is. I can't prove a thing but I can tell you from 32 years of playing and more than 6 years of dealing poker... what happens online is NOT possible! It doesn't happen in real life, there's no reason to believe that it could happen naturally just because of a deviation. I want desperately to find someone who can use computer software to travk some of these situation but alas, I don't know any computer wizzes. They probably all work for these sites.

Play live! Play good.

Nick Maiorana said...

You can't prove electronic data is being manipulated unless someone involved in the manipulation speaks out about it.

Online poker can not be policed like live poker by the players. At the table you can see a bottom deal or if someone blatantly looks at your hole cards. Online, you have no way of telling this. Thats why we put together DealGuardian.

If you believe it's rigged today, DealGuardian is the only solution. I firmly believe this. We have the technology, but until players start demanding better security and integrity, the poker rooms are going to ignore solutions like ours.

TruthSerum. said...

Well, enough is enough. I'm deleting Tiltware. Not worth it. When it gets to the point you can predict the outcome before it happens everytime in every situation, gets pretty meaningless. Tiltware is like a theif stealing your money. I just wish one of these theifing owners were in my face so I could punch them in the nose. I'de open hand slap any of these btches if they were in my face. Tiltware= permanently deleted.

Just a quick example of tiltware at its finest, they give me KcKd so I raise, idiot calls, flop comes AJ10 all hearts. How the fck to I continue with that hand? Can't. Idiot raises like 2/3 a pot that is about 3x the bb. QQ and I shove as little stack, big stack calls with Ace 8 off suit, 8 in flop, 8 on turn. Like, its so blatent, meaningless saying it. One can tell these kind of stories all day. On two occasions money is put in and I am dominated after flop and turn, and each time they hit 2-4 outers on rivers. A pretty big joke. They use events like FTSOP and crap to get people playing, but its just a scam. Employees and sponsors win, and other people just end up wasting. This scam is just a joke. It is seriously permanently deleted. Gg.

Online poker= waste of time and robbing of money.

zeropoint said...

Every time I contact support, I include the fact that I have money and would like to deposit it, but that I simply wouldn't be able to call it anything but irresponsible of me to put even one red cent that I actually worked to earn into their video game. The first day everyone else who contacts support says that, too, things will change.

Reasonable people should have the same reaction to people who pay to play online poker that they have to people who spend real money on Farmville on Facebook.

Stagematch said...

My AA just got cracked again by JJ. He hits a Runner Runner straight! In one sesson i got AK for four times! Two times in a row. How random is the software you tell me.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23342886158: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180431832), Table 29 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:11:55 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: KidPcP (1,474)
Seat 2: Flavius_1337 (3,940)
Seat 3: Looking4Donkey (1,490)
Seat 4: Dolomite K1d (4,525)
Seat 5: hingbutafoo (2,980)
Seat 6: damscopoker (4,680)
Seat 7: Vile Weed (3,109)
Seat 8: PennStLawyer (5,980)
Seat 9: LaRams (2,447)
Flavius_1337 posts the small blind of 60
Looking4Donkey posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac Ah]
Dolomite K1d folds
hingbutafoo folds
damscopoker calls 120
Vile Weed folds
PennStLawyer folds
LaRams folds
KidPcP raises to 1,474, and is all in
Flavius_1337 folds
Looking4Donkey folds
damscopoker calls 1,354
KidPcP shows [Js Jd]
damscopoker shows [Ac Ah]
*** FLOP *** [Kc Th Ts]
*** TURN *** [Kc Th Ts] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Th Ts 9h] [Qs]
KidPcP shows a straight, King high
damscopoker shows two pair, Aces and Tens
KidPcP wins the pot (3,128) with a straight, King high





Look at this hand:

I limp in whit A6 suited. The guy next to me limps in whit K6 offsuit.

The flop is

5 3 6
two hearts on the board.

I bet and the guy goes allin. I got top pair top kicker and i thought he is goning for his flush. I misread his hand and im happy to see he got K6 and i got him dominated.

The f... turn is K!

Is this serious the guy hits a three outer come on.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23343720149: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180439669), Table 30 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:49:02 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: Spice324 (4,065)
Seat 2: vaeloopk (3,035)
Seat 3: JOKERATOR (2,652)
Seat 4: kwr (2,530)
Seat 5: manolo92626 (3,230)
Seat 6: LMT_Alta (980)
Seat 7: damscopoker (1,940)
Seat 8: farmer62 (1,145)
Seat 9: 50-100 (5,170)
vaeloopk posts the small blind of 25
JOKERATOR posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac 6c]
kwr folds
manolo92626 folds
LMT_Alta has 8 seconds left to act
LMT_Alta folds
damscopoker calls 50
farmer62 calls 50
50-100 folds
Spice324 folds
vaeloopk folds
JOKERATOR checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 6s]
JOKERATOR checks
damscopoker bets 175
farmer62 raises to 1,095, and is all in
JOKERATOR folds
damscopoker calls 920
farmer62 shows [6d Kd]
damscopoker shows [Ac 6c]
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 6s] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 6s Kc] [7d]
farmer62 shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
damscopoker shows a pair of Sixes
farmer62 wins the pot (2,365) with two pair, Kings and Sixes

Im not a higroller no but i cashout couple times on fulltilt. But sincse i cashout i got bad beat after bad beat. Im not saying that it was all bad beat some stupid plays where a part of it. But come on if im most of time 80 % favorite and i loose 60-70 % of the time. Thats not possible. Then too say it happens well thats poker. No my friend that not poker. Live this does not happen as often i see online.


This was my last hand on Fulltilt im seriously done.

Stagematch said...

My AA just got cracked again by JJ. He hits a Runner Runner straight! In one sesson i got AK for four times! Two times in a row. How random is the software you tell me.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23342886158: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180431832), Table 29 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:11:55 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: KidPcP (1,474)
Seat 2: Flavius_1337 (3,940)
Seat 3: Looking4Donkey (1,490)
Seat 4: Dolomite K1d (4,525)
Seat 5: hingbutafoo (2,980)
Seat 6: damscopoker (4,680)
Seat 7: Vile Weed (3,109)
Seat 8: PennStLawyer (5,980)
Seat 9: LaRams (2,447)
Flavius_1337 posts the small blind of 60
Looking4Donkey posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac Ah]
Dolomite K1d folds
hingbutafoo folds
damscopoker calls 120
Vile Weed folds
PennStLawyer folds
LaRams folds
KidPcP raises to 1,474, and is all in
Flavius_1337 folds
Looking4Donkey folds
damscopoker calls 1,354
KidPcP shows [Js Jd]
damscopoker shows [Ac Ah]
*** FLOP *** [Kc Th Ts]
*** TURN *** [Kc Th Ts] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Th Ts 9h] [Qs]
KidPcP shows a straight, King high
damscopoker shows two pair, Aces and Tens
KidPcP wins the pot (3,128) with a straight, King high





Look at this hand:

I limp in whit A6 suited. The guy next to me limps in whit K6 offsuit.

The flop is

5 3 6
two hearts on the board.

I bet and the guy goes allin. I got top pair top kicker and i thought he is goning for his flush. I misread his hand and im happy to see he got K6 and i got him dominated.

The f... turn is K!

Is this serious the guy hits a three outer come on.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23343720149: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180439669), Table 30 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:49:02 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: Spice324 (4,065)
Seat 2: vaeloopk (3,035)
Seat 3: JOKERATOR (2,652)
Seat 4: kwr (2,530)
Seat 5: manolo92626 (3,230)
Seat 6: LMT_Alta (980)
Seat 7: damscopoker (1,940)
Seat 8: farmer62 (1,145)
Seat 9: 50-100 (5,170)
vaeloopk posts the small blind of 25
JOKERATOR posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac 6c]
kwr folds
manolo92626 folds
LMT_Alta has 8 seconds left to act
LMT_Alta folds
damscopoker calls 50
farmer62 calls 50
50-100 folds
Spice324 folds
vaeloopk folds
JOKERATOR checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 6s]
JOKERATOR checks
damscopoker bets 175
farmer62 raises to 1,095, and is all in
JOKERATOR folds
damscopoker calls 920
farmer62 shows [6d Kd]
damscopoker shows [Ac 6c]
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 6s] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 6s Kc] [7d]
farmer62 shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
damscopoker shows a pair of Sixes
farmer62 wins the pot (2,365) with two pair, Kings and Sixes

Im not a higroller no but i cashout couple times on fulltilt. But sincse i cashout i got bad beat after bad beat. Im not saying that it was all bad beat some stupid plays where a part of it. But come on if im most of time 80 % favorite and i loose 60-70 % of the time. Thats not possible. Then too say it happens well thats poker. No my friend that not poker. Live this does not happen as often i see online.


This was my last hand on Fulltilt im seriously done.

Stagematch said...

My AA just got cracked again by JJ. He hits a Runner Runner straight! In one sesson i got AK for four times! Two times in a row. How random is the software you tell me.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23342886158: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180431832), Table 29 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:11:55 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: KidPcP (1,474)
Seat 2: Flavius_1337 (3,940)
Seat 3: Looking4Donkey (1,490)
Seat 4: Dolomite K1d (4,525)
Seat 5: hingbutafoo (2,980)
Seat 6: damscopoker (4,680)
Seat 7: Vile Weed (3,109)
Seat 8: PennStLawyer (5,980)
Seat 9: LaRams (2,447)
Flavius_1337 posts the small blind of 60
Looking4Donkey posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac Ah]
Dolomite K1d folds
hingbutafoo folds
damscopoker calls 120
Vile Weed folds
PennStLawyer folds
LaRams folds
KidPcP raises to 1,474, and is all in
Flavius_1337 folds
Looking4Donkey folds
damscopoker calls 1,354
KidPcP shows [Js Jd]
damscopoker shows [Ac Ah]
*** FLOP *** [Kc Th Ts]
*** TURN *** [Kc Th Ts] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Th Ts 9h] [Qs]
KidPcP shows a straight, King high
damscopoker shows two pair, Aces and Tens
KidPcP wins the pot (3,128) with a straight, King high





Look at this hand:

I limp in whit A6 suited. The guy next to me limps in whit K6 offsuit.

The flop is

5 3 6
two hearts on the board.

I bet and the guy goes allin. I got top pair top kicker and i thought he is goning for his flush. I misread his hand and im happy to see he got K6 and i got him dominated.

The f... turn is K!

Is this serious the guy hits a three outer come on.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23343720149: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180439669), Table 30 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:49:02 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: Spice324 (4,065)
Seat 2: vaeloopk (3,035)
Seat 3: JOKERATOR (2,652)
Seat 4: kwr (2,530)
Seat 5: manolo92626 (3,230)
Seat 6: LMT_Alta (980)
Seat 7: damscopoker (1,940)
Seat 8: farmer62 (1,145)
Seat 9: 50-100 (5,170)
vaeloopk posts the small blind of 25
JOKERATOR posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac 6c]
kwr folds
manolo92626 folds
LMT_Alta has 8 seconds left to act
LMT_Alta folds
damscopoker calls 50
farmer62 calls 50
50-100 folds
Spice324 folds
vaeloopk folds
JOKERATOR checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 6s]
JOKERATOR checks
damscopoker bets 175
farmer62 raises to 1,095, and is all in
JOKERATOR folds
damscopoker calls 920
farmer62 shows [6d Kd]
damscopoker shows [Ac 6c]
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 6s] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 6s Kc] [7d]
farmer62 shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
damscopoker shows a pair of Sixes
farmer62 wins the pot (2,365) with two pair, Kings and Sixes

Im not a higroller no but i cashout couple times on fulltilt. But sincse i cashout i got bad beat after bad beat. Im not saying that it was all bad beat some stupid plays where a part of it. But come on if im most of time 80 % favorite and i loose 60-70 % of the time. Thats not possible. Then too say it happens well thats poker. No my friend that not poker. Live this does not happen as often i see online.


This was my last hand on Fulltilt im seriously done.

Stagematch said...

My AA just got cracked again by JJ. He hits a Runner Runner straight! In one sesson i got AK for four times! Two times in a row. How random is the software you tell me.
Look at this hand:

I limp in whit A6 suited. The guy next to me limps in whit K6 offsuit.

The flop is

5 3 6
two hearts on the board.

I bet and the guy goes allin. I got top pair top kicker and i thought he is goning for his flush. I misread his hand and im happy to see he got K6 and i got him dominated.

The f... turn is K!

Is this serious the guy hits a three outer come on.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23343720149: $4 + $0.40 Rush Sit & Go (180439669), Table 30 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:49:02 ET - 2010/08/24
Seat 1: Spice324 (4,065)
Seat 2: vaeloopk (3,035)
Seat 3: JOKERATOR (2,652)
Seat 4: kwr (2,530)
Seat 5: manolo92626 (3,230)
Seat 6: LMT_Alta (980)
Seat 7: damscopoker (1,940)
Seat 8: farmer62 (1,145)
Seat 9: 50-100 (5,170)
vaeloopk posts the small blind of 25
JOKERATOR posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to damscopoker [Ac 6c]
kwr folds
manolo92626 folds
LMT_Alta has 8 seconds left to act
LMT_Alta folds
damscopoker calls 50
farmer62 calls 50
50-100 folds
Spice324 folds
vaeloopk folds
JOKERATOR checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 6s]
JOKERATOR checks
damscopoker bets 175
farmer62 raises to 1,095, and is all in
JOKERATOR folds
damscopoker calls 920
farmer62 shows [6d Kd]
damscopoker shows [Ac 6c]
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 6s] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 6s Kc] [7d]
farmer62 shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
damscopoker shows a pair of Sixes
farmer62 wins the pot (2,365) with two pair, Kings and Sixes

Im not a higroller no but i cashout couple times on fulltilt. But sincse i cashout i got bad beat after bad beat. Im not saying that it was all bad beat some stupid plays where a part of it. But come on if im most of time 80 % favorite and i loose 60-70 % of the time. Thats not possible. Then too say it happens well thats poker. No my friend that not poker. Live this does not happen as often i see online.


This was my last hand on Fulltilt im seriously done.

TruthSerum. said...

May have proof.

I have reviewed some of the posts, and some of the posts may be legitly saying something, while others are people who have not played enough hands and are just posting a bad beat.

Regardless, I finally may have the proof I wanted, guess FTP fcked up.

So I am in a room by myself in PL holdem just waiting to play someone. Some idiot comes in who looks suspicious and the way he acted made me upset, so I sat out and said "fck u". Instantly I was clocked for chat violation. He then left.

First, I have talked to their support about chat monitors, and they told me they randomly monitor rooms, sometimes important rooms or with alot of action. I was alone in a room just sitting there. Why would a chat monitor randomly appear at that moment unless it was someone working for them. The theory was these workers know the cards/and or programs and whats going on, and get some people broke. Everyone has talked about people making the most donkey plays, and always hitting. An example would be two people with similar chip stack deep in tournament and one guy calling an all in with a 10 6 and having turn and river somehow give them a full boat against a pair or AK. These are the FTP workers. They know whats going on, and they have them in tournaments so the site doesn't lose as much money to winners. They also have them to get people broke for money and to keep people depositing more.

I do not know why ftp messes with me, because I've had enough and as soon as I am messed with, I am going to let it be known. I saved this proof just incase for later.

My advice would be, if your going to waste money depositing there, stay low key, don't bother anyone, don't bother support, try to be smart.

If your one of the lucky few who can turn a little profit via one deposit or even a freeroll, you better stay low key. If they find any reason to "target" you or be angry at you, your in for trouble.

Ftp can either be tolerable, or untolerable. Will they be tolerable? Time will tell. Yes, I did undelete FTP maybe because I lost too much and maybe someday I can get fortunate enough to make a profit or get it bak. Sure thats what they want me to think.

Take it as you will...

TruthSerum. said...

FTP is a raging joke, don't really play there anymore. But is it just full tilt? Today down $70 to badbeat after bad beat. It is really pissing me off. An example would be I get someone to put it all in on a rainbow flop with Kings, they have king 7, and hit runner runner for straight. Again I get someone to put it all in with top pair jack and two nothing cards, good kicker. They call with underpair, and hit runner runner straight again. This time I flop a set on flop, and get them to put it all in, runner runner again. Now I flop the absolute nuts for a straight. Have QJ flop is 8 9 10. I shove, they have 10s, when I'm in that situation is runner runner straight. I knew a card would repeat,. And sure enought he river is an 8. It gets old. Also everytime I have Ace high or sometype of dominating hand preflop, I'll have someone call with 10 high or something, and hit everytime. Then when I have 10 high or even king or queen high, and they have ace rag, I will miss EVERY time. It is getting very old. I am going to have to take a break for a while.

Does anyone else experience this? Where your dominating hands NEVER hold against inferior garbage, then when you have the nuts after the flops, the only two or 3 cards in the deck that can beat u come on the turn and river? Old.

Wilco said...

I freakin hate FTP but I love poker. This site is so rigged...99% of the times when I push my stack all in I'm ahead pre flop yet I lose most of the times.

AA vs AA, other guy catches a flush.

77 vs K6

Flop 766, I push all in and ofcourse he hits his one and only out on the river, quads.

The site's definitely rigged alright, I deposited just 30 bucks and made it to 150 with just sit & go's. I won at least one game out of 3 and I was suprised. I decided to play a game with a higher limit and lost, well too bad. I went back to the lower limits and lost every freakin game, usually because of bad beats.

The site's filled with donkey's as well, they think they're good cause they suck out on every1. Too bad.

Nick Maiorana said...

I agree 100%. We as players do not know the legitimacy of the hands being dealt. That's why my partners and I created DealGuardian (Secure Card Dealer). An independent 3rd party, not profiting from the result of a hand, is the only way to make sure the interest of the players is maintained.

But the sites have ignored our product and will continue to do so until players start asking for it. We just want to make sure no one is getting ripped off.

anony said...

As a follow up to my last post, you know the site is blatently fake when they narrow out a player. This player they won't allow them to win a hand. They continue to get hands, where they know preflop they are good, and post flop they get spiked 2 pair on, everytime. I've been playing for less then an hour, and already 3 times, I've had a newb spike a two pair on me with an inferior hand making a bad call. I also had a top pair good kicker lose to a drawing hand who shoved all in hitting a 3 outter on the river. I had 10 8 suited on an 8 high board rainbow, he has 96 and shoves. Hits 9 on river. Can't say that is real poker folks. Just 100% fake.

Jarrod said...

Its hillarious that I found your comments on how rigged it can be... I've been telling my roomate the exact same things about FTP eliminating people so they start other tourneys and make them more money. I think it's anybody's game at the start, but once people start getting large stacks, its almost impossible to beat any hand you go up against them, especially true with larger tourneys, even if you are greatly favored. I've seen this happen to many people and been the victim many times myself. Its just too bad the government didn't do anything about it, because it's plain as day and people are getting robbed out of their money to the BS. I used to play at other sites where I didn't see as much crap as FTP, then started at FTP and it just never stopped. The sad thing is that nothing will be done and the crooks will just keep getting richer.

Slimmm911 said...

I’ve read a lot of the posts and have to agree with everyone who thinks that there is some fishy going on at Full Tilt. I’ll add a couple more thinks to the argument and then tell you about a ridiculous bad beat I took the very first day I signed up to Full Tilt.
I’ve sat in casinos all over Northern CA and Nevada and I have never seen:
The same guy win 5 or 6 straight pots by catching his hand every time. Example: One day on Full Tilt the same guy won 6 straight hands (straight, flush, flush, trips, straight, full house) How can one person be that lucky? Answer, they can’t.
I’ve personally had stretches of play that absolutely defy any odds like 116 straight hands without a pocket pair, or 37 straight hands and 55 out of 56 hands where I “missed” on the river. (no pair)
I’ve witnesses the SAME PLAYER at a table hitting quads 3 times in 7 hands, are you kidding me?
I’ve been dealt identical hole cards (Kh10h) twice in a row, then three hands later was dealt 9s7s two hands in a row. Random? Really?
Now for the worst beat (but certainly not the only time) ever, and this happened the first day I played on Full Tilt:
Holding A-K after a flop of A-7-K, I bet about 5x the blinds. Surprisingly, one guy called me. After a turn of 4, I shoved all in and the guy called me again! What could he possibly have? Pocket 7’s? Pocket 4’s? No, he had POCKET DEUCES. I’m sure to win this hand right? No flush draw, no straight draw, the only card that will hurt me is one of the two remaining Deuces in the deck. Well, after the patented Full Tllt “river card delay” (where presumably the “random “ card generator searches for the correct card) the river card is a deuce!!!! I mean WTF is that? Two outer? And why is this clown holding on to his pair of deuces with four overcards on the board and me betting large? It’s like he knew it was coming………..did he? Anyway, I’m out of the tournament, but I watch the rest of it and the same guy hammers 7 more people with ridiculous river suckouts before he finally shoves junk one too many times preflop and busts out against the eventual tournament runner up.

Nick Maiorana said...

I have seen that a lot on Full Tilt. I am certain that there are players that either know what's coming or have been setup to win. I had the same feeling when I played at Absolute and UB when donks kept winning with crappy hands.

lavaman2 said...

WOW... so glad I found this thread. Full tilt is sooooo f$%king rigged!!! The other day I was playing my usual $6.50 18 man tournaments and a few $5.50 super turbos to go along.. 6 man by the way. As I was playing, I decided I wanted to cash out $200 just in case I didn't have enough money for this weeks eats. I cash out, receive the standard email, then go back to playing. AA.. all in.. call.. AK.. flop AJ6.. turn 10.. river Q!!!! He sucks out.. next game.. AK vs KQ.. he rivers the Q.. next game.. QQ.. he has KK.. and on and on and on it went.. suckout after suckout after suckout.. the worst was when I had Q10 of spades and turned the flush on a guy with Ad 4s.. river gave him a STRAIGHT FLUSH and he knocked me out. I ended up losing about $150 in 30 minutes playing my usual tournaments (which I am unbeatable at). Suck my d$%k full tilt!!! This site is amazingly rigged and it's sad to know good players have dreams crushed because of a rigged RNG. I'm taking my money else where..

lavaman2 said...

WOW... so glad I found this thread. Full tilt is sooooo f$%king rigged!!! The other day I was playing my usual $6.50 18 man tournaments and a few $5.50 super turbos to go along.. 6 man by the way. As I was playing, I decided I wanted to cash out $200 just in case I didn't have enough money for this weeks eats. I cash out, receive the standard email, then go back to playing. AA.. all in.. call.. AK.. flop AJ6.. turn 10.. river Q!!!! He sucks out.. next game.. AK vs KQ.. he rivers the Q.. next game.. QQ.. he has KK.. and on and on and on it went.. suckout after suckout after suckout.. the worst was when I had Q10 of spades and turned the flush on a guy with Ad 4s.. river gave him a STRAIGHT FLUSH and he knocked me out. I ended up losing about $150 in 30 minutes playing my usual tournaments (which I am unbeatable at). Suck my d$%k full tilt!!! This site is amazingly rigged and it's sad to know good players have dreams crushed because of a rigged RNG. I'm taking my money else where..

TruthSerum. said...

Since its posting to the subscribed people and apparently someone is keeping it from posting on the website, someone needs to create a new website, or get some kind of lawyer or lawmaker present so everyone with proof or legit substance can state their facts. I personally have proof.

Poker is a billion dollar industry. Gambling is not regulated in the US, therefore its easy for criminals (have to call it as it is) to abuse and take advantage of that. If we as the consumer don't get up and do something, it may never be stopped.

So help me in putting an end, slowly but surely, to CEO's and business owners and employees not being accountable for their companies (and their own) actions and running illegitimate, and unfair businesses.

TruthSerum. said...

Still won't let me post anony or slimmm911. If anyone else tried to copy and paste it would be interesting to see if it went through.

Anyway take heed to my last message and like I said, maybe one day an end can be put to these criminals and their unfair business practices.

Ivan said...

After losing 19 of 22 times I flopped a set I decided to leave full tilt poker. The sent me a good bonus offer so I deposited $75 dollars. Within two hours had both of my flopped sets cracked. I would agree that full tilt is rigged as well as every other site I've played at. Also every poker site I've played at I've had the most ridiculous good luck after making my first deposit and the must ridiculous bad luck after making withdrawls.

Wallrus Brimley said...

Hmmmm, didn't post my comment I see.
Is this an Ultimate Bet website? Ha Ha, sorry if so, I just wanted to help people who didn't know any better, but turns out I was the one who didn't know any better. In fact, i'm going to assume it is, otherwise, your angrier than Fox News, who also only publishes one side of an argument under a false guise of being unbiased. And Just as bad as you would claim Full Tilt to be. Lying and Stealing are one in the same...If you don't post both sides, say so....See my blog at FullTiltPokerIsNotRigged@Blogspot.com

Wallrus Brimley said...

for f$@$s sake, i recieved 2 confirmed post emails...they dont post...i ripp this site apart..AND THAT POSTS!?! GOOD GOD I SEE WHY SOME PEOPLE HAVE POSTED THE SAME POST 8 TIMES HERE!!! ok now that i got that out, please forget about this post and the one above it, and try to only think about the next ones to come...thanx >wAllrus

Wallrus Brimley said...

wow, i get confirmed e-mails for posts that don't post, and cannot fufill request when it does send..from las vegas blvd and warm springs..THIS SITE IS MORE RIGGED THAN TILT!

ashman said...

There is no question FT is rigged. When I play live poker, I am usually a force at the table at 1/2 no limit cash or tourney's . When I started playing on-line I dep. $350 and was winning consistently at .25/50 and also cashing frequently, and winning some tournaments. This was approx 2 years ago. I have read numerous books over and am very aware of odds, etc. Since I started playing I have become a much better player and continue to win more than my share live cash, and tournaments. On-line I consistently am having huge hands cracked to dominated huge underdoge pairs or hands sharing one of my cards. and also see many dominated hands take big pots regularly k-10 vs K-q etc from other players. I just got back from Vegas and played some at Bellagio and won a little , but no crazy bad beats and was not scared my pairs would be cracked like I am on FT. I know when I am beat seem to have to make huge lay downs on FT, problem is I so frequently need to make those lay downs. I am removing the software from my computer now because I am an idiot in that I will try to convince myself it will stop and things will change when I know mathematically I should be a winning poker online and not just live. If you put your $ in with the best of it a majority of the time you should be a winning player. Live I am, on line I am a big loser. If the site pokertableratings.com has all the info, don't you think These sites can adjust to certain players tendencies and make you think things are changing temporarily to continue and get more rake from more players depositing and losing. It's no coincidence, good poker play is good online or live. If you consistently are a mathematical favorite when the money goes in you should win that % of the time if all things are equal over the long haul. It's one long game, if you are a 76% fav on the flop you should be winning 76 of 100 hands if you show down. You don't always show down, but over 12k hands you thats a large enough sample for the math to really matter.

ashman said...

There is no question FT is rigged. When I play live poker, I am usually a force at the table at 1/2 no limit cash or tourney's . When I started playing on-line I dep. $350 and was winning consistently at .25/50 and also cashing frequently, and winning some tournaments. This was approx 2 years ago. I have read numerous books over and am very aware of odds, etc. Since I started playing I have become a much better player and continue to win more than my share live cash, and tournaments. On-line I consistently am having huge hands cracked to dominated huge underdoge pairs or hands sharing one of my cards. and also see many dominated hands take big pots regularly k-10 vs K-q etc from other players. I just got back from Vegas and played some at Bellagio and won a little , but no crazy bad beats and was not scared my pairs would be cracked like I am on FT. I know when I am beat seem to have to make huge lay downs on FT, problem is I so frequently need to make those lay downs. I am removing the software from my computer now because I am an idiot in that I will try to convince myself it will stop and things will change when I know mathematically I should be a winning poker online and not just live. If you put your $ in with the best of it a majority of the time you should be a winning player. Live I am, on line I am a big loser. If the site pokertableratings.com has all the info, don't you think These sites can adjust to certain players tendencies and make you think things are changing temporarily to continue and get more rake from more players depositing and losing. It's no coincidence, good poker play is good online or live. If you consistently are a mathematical favorite when the money goes in you should win that % of the time if all things are equal over the long haul. It's one long game, if you are a 76% fav on the flop you should be winning 76 of 100 hands if you show down. You don't always show down, but over 12k hands you thats a large enough sample for the math to really matter.

ashman said...

There is no question FT is rigged. When I play live poker, I am usually a force at the table at 1/2 no limit cash or tourney's . When I started playing on-line I dep. $350 and was winning consistently at .25/50 and also cashing frequently, and winning some tournaments. This was approx 2 years ago. I have read numerous books over and am very aware of odds, etc. Since I started playing I have become a much better player and continue to win more than my share live cash, and tournaments. On-line I consistently am having huge hands cracked to dominated huge underdoge pairs or hands sharing one of my cards. and also see many dominated hands take big pots regularly k-10 vs K-q etc from other players. I just got back from Vegas and played some at Bellagio and won a little , but no crazy bad beats and was not scared my pairs would be cracked like I am on FT. I know when I am beat seem to have to make huge lay downs on FT, problem is I so frequently need to make those lay downs. I am removing the software from my computer now because I am an idiot in that I will try to convince myself it will stop and things will change when I know mathematically I should be a winning poker online and not just live. If you put your $ in with the best of it a majority of the time you should be a winning player. Live I am, on line I am a big loser. If the site pokertableratings.com has all the info, don't you think These sites can adjust to certain players tendencies and make you think things are changing temporarily to continue and get more rake from more players depositing and losing. It's no coincidence, good poker play is good online or live. If you consistently are a mathematical favorite when the money goes in you should win that % of the time if all things are equal over the long haul. It's one long game, if you are a 76% fav on the flop you should be winning 76 of 100 hands if you show down. You don't always show down, but over 12k hands you thats a large enough sample for the math to really matter.

ashman said...

Ever notice how you make a set on the river and it also makes the flush? I have gotten to the point where I lay down my set because I know they have the flush, but what a tease. Plus all the paired flops and all getting j-5 three hands in a row at a six handed table, 2 of the j-5's were the identical suites, lol. I play one table at a time. The argument of so many more hands per hour doesn't hold water fot the numerouse quads and runner runner flushes to trips etc., that happen every time i play for an hour or so. Trust your instincts, not the few people that win algorithm's work both ways, and the site needs some allies. Most peole lose on-line, but I think it's curious that a friend of mine who for lack of a nicer term "Roll" whenever we play live is winning and I keep losing hand to hand etc., especially since I have continued to make small deposits the last few days after absurd beat one after the other. I have been playing some of the best poker ever the last few days, timely bets, tough lay downs, and win these small pots. Whenever I get all the money in with a dominating hand I lose the hand to the forth spade or club on the river etc. It's funny b/c I always am losing the big pots lately but losing the large ones. Running bad is a term that can make sense, but you build a case by the many strange occurances happening at once. Again, hecklers math is math on-line or live. an 85% favorite is a favorite regardless of location. I don't see many more hands on one on-line table to live, and if I did the sample is larger and would be even more true that the beats are miraculous! :)

ross said...

OK, i need to set the record straight with everyone :)

I am "reletively" new to poker, i win my fair share, but i prefer playing offline... becuase i am better.

But my expertise comes to roulette... i spent years developing systems for roulette, when i finally realised that the game is unbeatable... but i did learn one positive thing, money management, which i have bought to my poker game, and many people overlook this ;)

Now, i have played on full tilt since i started, and i can confidently say, that it is "different". Notice how i said different...

Now.. online roulette IS rigged, i know this after years of working it out. The software is designed to "counteract" you, because you are playing the house... of course they are going to win lol.. its commen sense.

So use your head, when you play online poker, you are not playing the house.. you are playing other gamblers, full tilt have no reason at all to rig their software.

SO IT IS NOT RIGGED...

but...

They do take a rake from every pot. So what does this tell you?

They want to make as much money as possible from a pot, so the bigger the pot, the more they make...

The system is NOT rigged, it is just UNREALISTIC.

They will throw in more "outragous" hands so it excites the "greed" in people, and forces more "all ins". Want proof of this, play at FT and watch how many all-ins you see, pfff you might even b temped yourself! there are far more on FT than at casinos.

More all-ins = bigger pot = more money for FT :)

Its not rigged, just more "excitingly unrealistic"

Enjoy.

pnwshipper said...

So if it is all a big money making scam for FTP is Rush Poker the biggest catalyst for sinking bankrolls? Once a player folds they are whisked away to another table thus not seeing any more cards from the previous hand. What is stopping FTP from using one of a folded players cards later in the hand afterall they are long gone from the hand or observing it. If I folded a 3d and in the same hand a 3d comes on the turn its an obvious scam no question, what if I'm 40 seconds removed from that hand....long story short they could have used my 3d and I would have never known. Its a virtual open deck and every persons folded cards are fair game to be used again seemingly. If a folded persons cards can be prospectively be used again controlling each and every hand becomes much more easier. You would essentially be playing with a 66 card deck with duplicates if 7 fold pre-flop. There would be 9 flush outs in every suit 2 handed, maybe even 6 aces in a 66 card deck. I may be off the mark but from what I have read and observed I could see the bastards pulling something like this.

xavier mandrake said...

Fuck you full tilt poker. Burn in the 7th layer of hell.

steven said...

FTP is absolutely rigged and a big scam! Chris F. Phil Ivey shame on you both and all the others behind the scheme. I agree with everything that was said on this blog. First time you sign up, you win. Then you start experiencing unbelievable beats. And when you look at how the last hand was played, it appears as if though your opponent knew what card was going to come up! I experienced hands where I had the "nuts" and my opponent is raising me on the flop, only for FTP to receive the only card that could beat me on the river! There is no way, my raises are re raised with the cards they have, only if you expect a card on the river. I experienced the worst beats on consecutive hands that never happen in live play. We should start a petition or file a lawsuit etc...

Nick Maiorana said...
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Nick Maiorana said...

Or demand they start using a 3rd party security mechanism like DealGuardian.

nick said...

a 72 suited calls a a re re raise and hits on the turn the suites


only reason they would bet is knowing the game is riggerd

mike said...

ive played low limit live tornaments and a lot of 1/2$ cash games ... Im pretty patient and can read situations pretty well, Im not a losing player, but I don't play enough or at high enough limits to really make any kind of money ... Im a grinder, I admit it ... Just from using common sense I can def. tell that online poker is a totally different game. I believe it is not random at all and Im not nieve enough to fall for the, "they make $ off of rake, why would they risk their reputation to make more?" ... really? Corporations do this all the time, wall-street, its called cashing in while you can because you never know what the future holds ... Make all the money now and invest in compound interest, its smart ... I think if you play at high enough limits on fulltilt, you could make some amount of money ... But do I believe any1 has deposited 500$ on thier and made 6 figures? no ... those people are lying, which is a very common trait among people into hardcore gambling ... If you want to play on fulltilt, deposit a small amount of cash each month and play the big big payoff tournaments, thats really the only shot you got, winning one of those is like winning the lottery.

sweetair2006 said...

Ok ONE BIG think that no one has put into consideration and I mean NO ONE....WHICH IS HUGE

is that in online poker your playing 3x as many hands then in live poker which means 3x the bad beats

AND

the people you play against online are 2-3x better then in the casinos...FOR SURE

I still agree with everyone that the site could be rigged because I've lost my ass in Full tilt...about 5 grand in 5 years and I've seen it all and I started out on my 1st deposit with a win

Nick Maiorana said...

The argument of "you are seeing more hands so you should see more bad beats" does not hold water.

Relatively speaking, the number of good hands that hold up should also happen more often. And if that were true, then everything should even out and play just like a live game.

DealGuardian

Quengo said...

Full tilt is blatantly rigged..
I have now deleted my account, some of the hand I have witnessed are a disgrace they need to be reported asap...

tonga said...

fulltilt cheated all of us y not get back at them here is how. open a bank account w/ $101 deposite,open a fulltilt account make your 1st instant check deposite $100 dont play wait after yr 1st deposite clear make 2nd for $600 and 3rd for another $600.lose all this $$$ to another account that can cash out.go 2 yr bank close yr account.u just make $1200 its easy and they cant do shit to u.hope this will work for every1 cause fulltilt have been stealing $$$$$$$$$$$$$ from all of us

Algabal said...

Full Tilt Poker is a Scam. Just yesterday I cashed in $50 again just to find out if I was wrong about it or not. Turned out I was absolutely right! Again the same pattern: Cash-in-and-win-policy on the first day. Today: Suckout time!

AA - I raise 4BB preflop; 1 caller.
Flop: 68Q rainbow. I raise pot-size. Call. River K. I push pot-size again. Caller reraises. I still think my AA is good (put him on AK/AQ) and push all-in. He calls. Turns out hes holding T7(!) - the River is a 9. 4-outer gutshot. Now you tell me WHO plays like that? Very next hand I lose to the same player when i got dealt AQ hit top pair on the flop and he has T6s for 2 pairs, second pair on the turn.

I get a nut straight on the turn; top set is all in - River grants him a boat.

I get KK - 44 raises me all in on a blank (!) flop for both of us, turn is a 4.

Now I know those single, selected hands will never prove anything. I am not an idiot. But when I get sucked out on with absurd play/boards every other hand and can't hit a paired board multitabling for the life of Goofy - man, I know something's dead wrong!

The funny thing is: Every time today when I asked those retarded monkeys about their play, they ALL left the table right away. Isn't that a coincidence?

Don't play at FT-Poker. The shuffle is just not random in any way.

YeaItsBS said...

Ive defintely noticed a trend of making lots of money right away and havingn incredible hands to the complete opposite next day. first day of playing i flopped quads a couple times hit a set seemed like with every pair I had. I had AA hold up probably 9/10 times. I turned 500 into 3k playing 1/2 nl. Couple days later entire bankroll is gone. Now I get AA and I get pissed cuz I know someones going to murder me with the most ridic hand. I had KK on button and small blind raises my raise preflop. I raise him 60 more preflop and he calls wih 73 off suit and flops two pair. This is just one example of the crazy shit thats been happening ever since my huge win. And this isn't the first time this has happend. Too me its so obvious something is up with the software. Now I have 100 dollars left and seriously am struggling to hit a pair. Every flop is opposite of my hand and its a miracle to even have a flush draw even though I know it won hit.

Dek said...

I believe it's rigged. I hate to say it because it sounds crazy but it got to the point that I could call the bad beats around 90% correct.

For example the last game I played was a rush tournament. I'm holding AA, one of the chip leaders raises me enough to make me shove. He has 66, I KNOW he will hit a 6, and he does. I rebuy leaving me a bit short now the blinds are up, 1st hand I'm holding QQ, I raise, BB shoves, I call, he has AQ. No Ace on the flop, or the turn...but I know he will catch the flush...and he does. Apart from those hands I had KK beat 2 times by worse hands in that tourney. Also KK bust by AK once. A flopped straight runner runner bad beat by a flush. Always to bigger stacks. And whenever I had the bigger stack, I knew I'd win with the worst hand around 90% of the time and I was right.

Apart from anything else it's a lottery. Very few players play with any thought. That should give a decent player an edge but it just doesn't. It's a huge joke, especially in the cheap rush tourneys. If I'm flipping in one tourney with AA,AA,KK,KK,KK,QQ (those were the hands I flipped in that tourney before second break) and always against worse hands, I should be way out in front...but...instead I wasted 6 rebuys (3x double rebuy). That just goes against any sensible odds and I believe it's because FT know who will keep depositing. That's just one example out of thousands...yep, thousands over the years.

So... I've played my last game at FT. Maybe higher stakes aren't so bad I'm not sure but I won't risk it. I'm going back to PKR, it's awful with all the 3D but I believe they play fair.

The worst of this is I love the game, and this ruins it. If it's not rigged then there is more luck involved than winning players will admit...so much that there is almost no skill factor at all.

Dek said...

Have to add to my last post...my use of the word 'Flip' is wrong I know. In all cases I was way better than a coin flip, waaaaay better.

Also, I am a decent player. On other sites I've built a great bankroll from a small deposit. But the 'fair' sites tend to not have enough tourneys running, and FT tempted me with potentialy big ROI and a huge tourney selection.

I should also add that I'm an IT pro...Director of a software development company, and I know what's possible with a little code. I also know one of the programmers from one of the big poker sites, but when I've asked questions he simply won't talk about it AT ALL, he won't even say which site...his contract prevents him from even telling anyone which site and the penalties for any talk at all are apparently terrifying.

Be careful, trust your insticts. Don't listen to the defenders.

Jeffrey said...

I have played on most of these online sites and they are all the same. I have been playing on fulltilt lately and to say the least I have been close to breaking a few windows. Its not about playing poker its a game of war and these bad players are continuosly rewarded. Its apparent that these sites are programmed to do certain things and the word random means crap. It is so frustrating when u know its going to screw u. if this was how poker was meant to be I dount there would be any pros as it would all just be about flipping a coin....Stay away from fulltilt is will only give u gray hair and take years off your life from the frustration...

ItsRiggged said...

After playing strictly Freerolls at FullTilt for about 2 years, I honestly believe that it is rigged mostly against USA players, who technically cannot make money deposits legally. There are other sites that state that USA Players cannot play for real money. I have won money and prizes at USA's UFC owned NLOP for instance and I got paid off, but NLOP does not run a gambling operation, you play for prizes and money for free, basically. I do get emails from FullTilt asking for real money deposits all the time, as is their routine I guess, etc, but it's not for me even if I could easily open an account, although I will continue to play freerolls at FullTilt, full well knowing that the games are rigged, and it's not debatable with me, so do not try to change my mind, it will not work. The ones trying to say that it is not rigged are probably FullTilt shills trying to pour cold water over what most of seem to know. The solution would be to have some International Internet Gambling Governing agency that would check out all the Poker Sites and have the authority to close down the rigged sites. It is hard to prove, but I have seen enough to know, not think that FullTilt is rigged, that the cards are not always dealt in a random way. To the FullTilt shills, I believe that I am a very good player, who has played for about 6 years steady like almost every night. At Empire Poker, I won 7 Tourneys in a little over a year. Anyway there needs to be a separate independent operation that deals the actual cards out to every poker site table, a separate random card dealing program, that each poker room has to subscribe to. Also there needs to be licensing to keep the fly by nights offline. Remember, most are offshore operations, without anyone telling them what or whatnot, they can do. I understand that there is a push, in our USA Congress to legalize Card Rooms, well, it will have to be set up like I mentioned or the Players will start calling their Congressmen and start complaining, I know that I will

Jeffrey said...

Well what a surprise. I play a single table tourney and its down to the final 3. I get AQ. I have about 4500 in chips, sb has like 4k. He calls with 10 6 off suit and of course flops 2 pair. Then as the sites program always does hits me my Q on the turn which would be part of creating the action, although the cards are already exposed. This is just a joke as these bad players play like its war and they win because a programmed site makes sure it happens. This is not random, no way. This beat was one of about 20 in the last few days. This has been going on since I started playing here. I cannot win money because of things like the hand i just mentioned above. It never evens out, that is a bunch of malarky when they say that. I have played almost 1k single table tourneys and its never changed. Why I keep coming back is beyond me. I think i like the abuse.

punkistein said...

OK OK, in my experience i think it could be rigged, but!..the last week i made a statistics table.... were i keep the count of how many times i got lucky( thats winnig with less than 50% odds), how many times i got unlucky( losing with winning odds)... and how many times the outcome was the one to expect ( thats winning with better odds....or losing with bad odds than the other guy/s)

and for now the results are this:
the normal outcome was 70% of the time ( mostly in situation of all in preflop)
the rest of the time i get the next results:
lucky: 40%
unlucky:60%

i dont know if those % someday will be near 50/50 , but i dont think so..... anyway, im really stunt, cause i thought the unlucky situation were a lot more... maybe we only remember the badbeats, and not the normal outocme, or the lucky ones....i dont know....... for me i think its rigged,
i made a $25 deposit las year, and i remember that for a while i won hands with 3, 2 , 1 outs....and after like a month it stop, and started to lose a lot, and like one guy said, i think you have to manipulate that and try to see if the situation is on your favor.
now i have a winning game, with a decent 30% ROI , so i hope the rigged thing could be solve in a near future

ps: sorry for my shity english

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