Anyone know where this post came from or where this guys blog is? Thanks for the e-mail whoever sent it:
Bob Smith
Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or not…I wold like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware LLC…while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands. we were also asked to develope software that would provide what they called the”maximum oppurtunity to bet” which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online…because then no one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having enter another tourney.
There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50 straight sessions without a loss…how can this be possible unless they are working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all the cards in play and in the deck.
Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the levels trick…this trick takes place when a tournament has been running after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with. Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river. Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker.
The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at another table spending more money…it is to this sites best interested to eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage. There is no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees. Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.
the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site built by THIEVES!!
Saturday, August 22, 2009
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 239 of 239I started on Poker Stars, moved to UB and finally Full Tilt. They are all rigged to the hilt. I play at the casinos here in Colorado and on line poker is nothing like casino poker. I have a good record at the casinos with an occasional win and some cashes. I know how to play. I started keeping track on Full Tilt. In one two week period I had 23 pre flop 90%+ hands and lost on all-ins 19 times. Statistically I should have won 20 or 21 times but won only 4 times (83% losing ratio).
The set ups they love are AA KK AK suited. Many times I will hit my pair on AK only to be sucked out by someone holding two middle cards (10/9 or 9/8) who catches two pair. It's their favorite gambit. Or another one they love to nail you with is a set losing to a river flush. This one I can count on like the sun rising. The donkey always calls and catches. Gee...how do they know??? Anyway, as much as I love to play poker and it's so easy to sit at your computer rather than driving an hour to the casino for one or two games, I will NEVER NEVER deposit money in any one of these criminal enterprises again!!!
I started on Poker Stars, moved to UB and finally Full Tilt. They are all rigged to the hilt. I play at the casinos here in Colorado and on line poker is nothing like casino poker. I have a good record at the casinos with an occasional win and some cashes. I know how to play. I started keeping track on Full Tilt. In one two week period I had 23 pre flop 90%+ hands and lost on all-ins 19 times. Statistically I should have won 20 or 21 times but won only 4 times (83% losing ratio).
The set ups they love are AA KK AK suited. Many times I will hit my pair on AK only to be sucked out by someone holding two middle cards (10/9 or 9/8) who catches two pair. It's their favorite gambit. Or another one they love to nail you with is a set losing to a river flush. This one I can count on like the sun rising. The donkey always calls and catches. Gee...how do they know??? Anyway, as much as I love to play poker and it's so easy to sit at your computer rather than driving an hour to the casino for one or two games, I will NEVER NEVER deposit money in any one of these criminal enterprises again!!!
To echo what al71z said, I also go on incredible hot streaks on fulltilt right when I deposit and havent played in a while. I swear I won 3 large sit and gos, and got pockets aces, kings, made flushes, and any other suckout you could imagine. This has happened probaly 5-6 times. I deposite, makd 5x my deposit, then the bad luck and bad beats start. As the pope said, "evolution is no longer just a hypothesis" and neither is full tilt pokers shady ways...
oh its definatley rigged. just lost my last willing deposit on their. had q8 suited, flop comes out qd, 8s, 4c. i raise to 1$, one guy raises to 2, another guy calls, i go all in, raising it to 9. first guy folds, second guy calls. he has As and 4d. turn comes 6d. i say to my friend "i wish i could put my life savings the next card is a diamond" completely serious. next card sure enough is a diamond and i lose a flopped two pair to a flush that should have had no business calling in the first place. Keep in mind this is the last play i will ever make in online poker considering this has happened literally hundreds of times before. and im not a bad player, ive won over 20,000k the past two years playing tournaments at casinos.
I notice if you make a monster flop, say a nice two pair or 3 of a kind, The next cards that come out ALWAYS are like a straight or flush draw, and it's so annoying!!! I get say a 2 A, I make the 2 A two pairs. Figuring, unbeatable, or pretty good shot.
Next cards come out will be like a 3 4 and the guy will go all in. So I know he has a 5. It's so unlikely that a 3/4 had to come out to give us that doubt.
This happens all the time. They make it so you think you have a great hand but then time and time again, the cards to come out make some bigger hand for someone else... When it was highly unlikely.
Like 4 suits come out... Giving you doubt that they don't have a flush.
I think I know some ways around it but of course, that means I'm giving up my tactics ;) WHich I think makes online poker more a game about "hustiling the system" much the way people in the real world can take advantage of workers comp or other "freebies" society gives-- it's a skill that if they learn, they will do "good".. Yet, it's not a fair practice.
Meaning, some can "win" or do good at online poker, but not for reasons you would do good in a real poker game, for "side" knowledge.
I had already been skeptical of FT for the simple fact that some of hands that happen are simply ridiculous. I was in a tournament, fairly deep into it with the tourney average in chips. I have AA, pre-flop raise big, two people call. I catch a A on the flop and go all-in. I get called with 9 2 suited??? He obvious gets a flush on the river. Why would this guy be calling a huge pre-flop raise and he was like the fifth person to act. The situation that no doubtly made me believe FT is rigged was I was watching a tournament with a large guarentee. There's approximately 6 people left. One of the players goes all in with go amount of chips. The large stack calls, whcih would have taken half his stack away with 8 3 off suit. He catches some ridiculous hand and claims that his call was a MISS CLICK. Are you serious?? a miss click when there's thousands of dollars on the line??? Highly unlikely.
Since june 2006 i'm playing online Poker . First i plaied at Party Poker, and had some very good results . After Party Poker closed for US players i tried PS . Until know it had been so bad on that site . Each time i gambled , i lost. Nearly each time i was in the money in a tourney i got donked by someone catching his one or two outer . Cash Games i excluded myself , it's so crazy how not random it is, i don't know how many sessions i plaied, but not one time after a deposit i could built a stack and i deposit often ... it's only unbelievable how rigged it is . The same at FT, UB and Everest . But also Party Poker as some friends told is also rigged now . What i will do in the futur is read the poker books i have, and play only life Poker. Gl to those thinking the same way as i do !
This is why poker is so great.
Look at all the stupid IDIOTS who can't win who post here claiming its rigged.
Never will they they even consider the possibility that they are STONE COLD SUCKERS.
What you have to realise with online poker is the way it works as a business for the site in question.
Like any business, they want to make money. When there is no risk attached to bending the rules and manipulating a few things to make MORE money, then any business will do that. It is a horrible world in that context- sales companies will target lonely old people on purpose just as poker sites will alter the deal to generate more rake.
We've seen multiple instances of poker sites cheating people- people still play Micorgaming, people still play at UB- the sites have nothing to lose and plenty to gain from manipulating the deck.
So let's look at a poker site's way of making money. The profit comes from the rake. If 6 players deposut $100 each and never deposit again- their individual results do not matter- all that matters is the rake made.
But once that money dries up, the poker site RELIES 100% on the losing player to redeposit. Deposits are the only way a poker site can make money. Yes, it is the rake where they cash in, but it is the deposits which enable this.
So how often have you sat down next to a complete fish and seen then make hand after hands after hand at ridiculous rates?
What the poker sites have done is try to level the playing field so bad players can make more hands than they should do in order to make them last longer and have more fun. That way, the winning players still win in the long run, but the fish are more likely to deposit again.
If you sit down vs an 80%VPIP fish in a random game, he'll lose quickly. Online, they last a lot longer and what is happening is that the rng is designed to generate action- it works for and against you evenly in the long term, but what you will see is very loose players somehow hitting the flop way more often than they shoudl do in the forms of Q5s flopping a flush draw vs a good players set etc.
Once you realise this and play a bit wearily when draws are possible etc, you can win more money than playing an opponent's range- take it with a pinch of salt.
It is my belief some networks actually alter the deck based on how much you win- ever noticed horrendous streaks on some sites- they monitor how much you win and rein you in if you are winning a bit too much- and you then go on streaks where nothing you do works- EVERYTHING goes against you.
I don't know the ins and outs of how it works, and it is all theory- I believe solid play and not tilting when you are losing is the key to long term success- but I know the games are not random.
You see big pre flop hands go heads up too often online as well- you could be stealing the BTN 60% and a player 3 betting the bb 40% and you'll somehow run QQ into KK ot KK into AA- it just happens too often. These hands are manipulated to create more action and increase the rake.
FTP is the worst of the lot. This site, along with Entraction, are just so blatant in how the rng is manipulated, I'm amazed people play there.
When you hit a downswing at FTP, it is just non stop coolers and bad beats that just don't happen in real life. It is a scam.
Of the networks in total, I'd say the following may well be manipulated but more fair than others-
- Ongame, Pacific, PS. Those are the only 3 I can really trust to play on and expect to come out ahead with solid play.
-FTP, Entraction and Microgaming are just an insult- so rigged it amazes me.
Check out my blog-
http://nl4grinder.blogspot.com/
Very well put. But one other way a site can generate revenue is to invest the deposits and keep the interest. One reason why they would not want you to w/draw you cash is because via bad investments they may not be solvent to honor the withdrawal.
Without regulation they can do what every they want with the deposits they have.
I had this impossible beat today, enough said!!
Full Tilt Poker Game #27822922462: $1 + $0.20 Sit & Go (Turbo) (216260511), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:35:39 ET - 2011/02/01
Seat 2: guindii_ (3,328)
Seat 3: oNe FinaL Boss (480)
Seat 4: Missionary21 (827)
Seat 5: norteamericano (1,440)
Seat 6: Deathvalley0K (2,925)
norteamericano posts the small blind of 30
Deathvalley0K posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Missionary21 [Qh Qd]
guindii_ raises to 120
oNe FinaL Boss folds
Missionary21 raises to 300
norteamericano folds
Deathvalley0K folds
guindii_ calls 180
*** FLOP *** [9d Jc Kh]
guindii_ checks
Missionary21 bets 527, and is all in
guindii_ calls 527
Missionary21 shows [Qh Qd]
guindii_ shows [8s 6c]
*** TURN *** [9d Jc Kh] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [9d Jc Kh 5s] [7s]
Missionary21 shows a pair of Queens
guindii_ shows a straight, Nine high
guindii_ wins the pot (1,744) with a straight, Nine high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,744 | Rake 0
Board: [9d Jc Kh 5s 7s]
Seat 2: guindii_ showed [8s 6c] and won (1,744) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 3: oNe FinaL Boss didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Missionary21 (button) showed [Qh Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: norteamericano (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Deathvalley0K (big blind) folded before the Flop
i agree too at first full tilt seemed to pay then come the bad beats one after another so i wrote on there site in temper saying fold aces that was 3 months ago i havent had aces since big stack does always win i was in a cash game in big blind big stack limps in small stack shoves all in i had KK so re raised all in big stack called turn over was big stack 55 short stack 53 suited and my kings and guess what big stack hits his 5 (the only 1 left in the deck) i agree it is rigged i am going to take that first paragraph and paste it on there site
i played for a whole year on FT and i must agree with you guys. I'm not like every pokerplayer who says he's the best, but if i tell you that i win a lot of money in live cashgames at casino's, i win live mtt's i can state i'm not a bad player. this said, my first week on ft i made 1.2K out of 20 bucks. then my luck turned. i took of 900 waited for a month and put 50 back on it just to try it again. with that i made 3.5K and then i lost 2.5K to sick badbeats, unreal rivers. i kept losing to 1 outers or 2 outers where they would river me. it's not normal i make the ft 6 out of 10 in real life and on ft i make non in 100+ mtt's
this said, it's rigged and i'm sticking to live games from now on
My 5 cents:
is-full-tilt-rigged
Believe me when I tell you that pokerstars is just as bad.The better my hand is the more nervous I get because no matter how I play it its guaranteed to lose. It is so blatantly obvious after 2or 3 days. Bad beat after bad beat. Losing big hands time after time against someone that had no reason to go all in unless you are a total moron. After reading these posts I am convinced that all online poker sites are rigged and I will never waste my money on these thieves ever again.
I have also come to the conclusion these guys who defend them are either:
1. affiliated with the site in some way(the most probable)
2.totally gullible
3.Mentally retarded
Don't waste your money on any of them. They are all rigged.
not rigged, more hands per hour more beats, better players online than brick and mortar, alot of bad players playing any two cards makes it easier to get caught. if your losing online your not that good. dont blame the site.
HEADKICK51, I HOPE YOUR FIRED.
This kid is clearly an employee at one of these sites. I looked him up. On one site, the only games he played were similar to that a pro member of the site would participate in. They were all close in dates, and very successful.
On the other site, he played few hands, on a low limit, and was in the negative.
When employees have to come comment, what do you think about that?
refer to my other post, and you have to be a member to read it because they instantly hit it in fear.
37,806 hands at ftp, of those there were 2,942 pocket pairs dealt to me. I put them in a spread sheet by rank and by position when received and found some disturbing FACTS. Let's start with the average amount of each pocket pair, which is 192. I got AA only 151, which is 41 BELOW average. KK 169, 23 below average, QQ 178, 14 below average, JJ 168, 24 below average, TT 167, 25 below average. That is just the tip of the iceberg. The top 5 pairs ALL well below average.77 and 66 were both 43 ABOVE average.
The next part is even worse. Position is hugely important in NLH. I play 6max, so there are only 6 positions to start and at the bubble there are 3. All my pairs combined, I got 17% of them on the button, 32% on the BB, and 26% on the SB. The other 7% and 5% were on first and second. Look at those figures! My AA count was 27 dealer, 17 cutoff, 8 second, 9 first, 45 in BB AND 45 in SB, and believe me the huge jump in the blinds isn't from heads up! AND, out of the 45 AA in BB, 20 times everyone folded to me! Add this stuff up and in almost every catagory of pocket pairs I am getting screwed! Anyone want the spreadsheet, send me an email. s.s.wake@gmail.com
I've been playing poker for approx 5 years, some home games and alot on the internet. My play has gradually become better and better over the years, and a short while ago I purchased some tournament tracking software along with video tutorials that give advice on beating small stake tournaments.
I've never lost in online poker in the long run - I think I'm up about pitiful $200. But the volume I have put in is quite incredible. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands in mirco tourneys and cash games, and when you play so much, you expect that the varience will start to level itself out.
BUT no. It doesn't. I can never consistently beat the game despite the amount of games I play, my overpairs and dominating aces never return the equity that they stastically promise. It is literally UNBELIEVABLE that you can lose so consistantly, it is UNBELIEVABLE that these ridiculous/intoxicated players will bust you time and time again with the napkins they put their money in with against your very tight pre-flop range.
My success at live play is completely different. I've put no where near as much volume live, but my Ace-king's and overpairs actually hold up the majority of the time in the casino and I cash frequently. They win as often as they should - and any down swings up up swings tend to rub off by the time of my next game.
My opponents in the casino actually miss straight and flush draws often and I extract lots from them through aggressive value bets. Thats how poker should is and should be...
This proves one of two things; that I have either been very lucky in the casino repeatedly despite my tight aggressive play, or online poker is rigged.
There is no way that anyone can get so many bad beats online. I must be either a terrible player - or someone is twisting the odds against me.
Agree w/all 223 Posts Rigged in more ways than one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMLst_Brvz4&feature=related
as you can see in this video
NO CUT, NO NURN, USE OF WHOLE DECK IN COMMUNITY CARDS.
They Advertise FULL TILT POKER.NET
"GAURANTEED MOST ACTION ANYWHERE"
"NOT A GAMBLING WEBSITE"
and that draws players to FULL TILT.COM where they can manipulate you and steal your money.
Spent 3 Years Mastering FreeRolls and have lost $300 over the last year.
Fulltilt made 4.9 billion in 2010
ready for the realdeal pokersite to relaunch with real cards and real shuffling machines.
another link:
http://www.cardschat.com/f13/howard-lederer-full-tilts-rng-95460/
and another:(trying to sell a beat the rig formula lol) for $40
http://fulltiltrigged.info/
Been sick many a day over losing!!!
Great for freerolls and practive/study. I will never make deposit on any website unless i am truely satified w/the game and the settings.
member of thesharkspoker.com
NibbleAbit
or YIM fulltiltsucker@yahoo.com
Sportbook, Ultimate Bet, Absolute, Blah Blah they all work the same.
I swear when i see any of the top ft pros i will make their life miserable.
So I have been playing online since 2006. Everything that everyone has experienced, I'm right there with you. So for the past year now I have held back from depositing any money into any of my poker accounts. I have sat back and done some research. I have taken some time and watched some tourneys going on and an occasional cash game or two. After reading the article from the Full Tilt programmer "Bob Smith" I feel that whoever he is, is in fact telling the truth. So, I know it is basically meaningless, but i started trying to play the freerolls on FTP. From watching live games and playing on the freerolls everything that "Bob" stated was spot on true. And it's just not FTP. Pokerstars is just as equally terrible. I just finished a freeroll a few minutes ago. Made it through 2 breaks. I'm mid stacked through the tourney and it seriously looked like the program wanted to me to lose. In the last 2 hours of the tourney I NEVER had a playable hand other than in the SB or BB. I was getting rags, nothing even connected nor suited. My last three SB I had AQ suited, AK off,and KQ off. BB behind me took all three pots. Again, this was my last 3 hands I played. My last hand was comical. K(c)Q(s) entire board folds around to me in the SB. Raise it up 1800 BB calls. Flop comes Q(c)9(c)3(c). GREAT. Top pair and 2nd nut flush draw. I go all in off the flop. BB called faster than sniffing a fart out of Jenna Jameson's cornhole. He has pocket 4's no club. Turn comes 2(H) and the infamous river hits his one outter the 4 of diamonds. Immediately, my table was suddenly closed. Seats emptied and no one was there. I sat there and chuckled a bit. After a minute went by I thought to myself that is beyond a coincidence. It has been happening just like that for many weeks now. So, now it gets better. So my table was closed right? WRONG. My table was mysteriously closed but come to find out....it wasn't at all. I went to find the guy beat me. Wanted to see remaining hands. And don't you know, that table was not closed. The table number changed by 1 digit and EVERYONE that was on the table when I went out, was still there. My seat was still open. I tried asking some of the players on there if they had a table change. Every player was from Russia, Estonia, Ukraine, etc. They couldn't speak or understand a lick of english if landed on their upper lip. I posted 3 comments, waited for a response and THEN, suddenly, miraculously, the table was closed and disbanded. Coincidence with these hands, the ghost table change and programmer "Bob Smith"....I don't think so. I will never deposit to online poker again.
I don't see any proof whatsoever that full tilt is rigged. Nobody cares about individual bad beats, and besides long strings of bad beats are mathematically EXPECTED to happen if you play a ton of hands like most of you do.
Just get a stats expert (not your average poker player) to do a legit, scientific statistical analysis and see what they come up with. You guys might be after all, who am I to say.
FULL TILT SEIZED BY FBI!! Goodbye rigged site....wooot! I hope Howard Lederer is taken away in shackles!
here got all of you beat with this one. 4 of a kinds dealt 3 times in 4 deals in a row of 5 card draw. 5 card draw was the first poker game I learn to play when i was 11 years old. I'VE PLAYED EVERY TYPE OF 5 CARD DRAW.Jack or better to open, trips to win. One eyed jacks are wild. played with jokers in deck as wild in ace straights, and flushes. played Dr. pepper where 2, 4, and 10s are wild..
And never had seen 4 of a kinds dealt 3 times in 4 hands.
Full Tilt Poker Game #29426661789: Table 706 (6 max) - 10/20 - Limit 5 Card Draw - 17:27:31 ET - 2011/03/28
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gr8manipulation [5h 9s Td Qd 5s]
*** DRAW *** (Pot: 120)
Brotback discards 2 cards
gr8manipulation discards 3 cards [5h 9s 5s]
rdodge98 discards 3 cards
LIRR391 discards 3 cards
Dogbreath1951 discards 3 cards
akroman101 stands pat
Brotback is dealt 2 cards
Dealt to gr8manipulation [Td Qd] [Ah 2c Ac]
rdodge98 is dealt 3 cards
LIRR391 is dealt 3 cards
Dogbreath1951 is dealt 3 cards
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Brotback shows [4h 4c 4s 4d Jd] four of a kind, Fours
gr8manipulation mucks
Dogbreath1951 mucks
akroman101 mucks
Brotback wins the pot (360) with four of a kind, Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 360 |
Seat 1: LIRR391 folded after the Draw
Seat 2: Dogbreath1951 mucked [6h 6d 6s 9h 8s] - three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 3: akroman101 (button) mucked [As Ad 8h 7d 3d] - a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Brotback (small blind) showed [4h 4c 4s 4d Jd] and won (360) with four of a kind, Fours
Seat 5: gr8manipulation (big blind) mucked [Ac Ah Qd Td 2c] - a pair of Aces
Seat 6: rdodge98 folded after the Draw
Full Tilt Poker Game #29426690905: Table706 (6 max) - 10/20 - Limit 5 Card Draw - 17:28:26 ET - 2011/03/28
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gr8manipulation [3c As Ah Ac 6s]
*** DRAW *** (Pot: 60)
gr8manipulation has 15 seconds left to act
gr8manipulation: dont say sht when their fking u
gr8manipulation discards 2 cards [3c 6s]
rdodge98 discards 1 card
LIRR391 discards 3 cards
Dealt to gr8manipulation [As Ah Ac] [Ad Tc]
rdodge98 is dealt 1 card
LIRR391 is dealt 3 cards
Dogbreath1951: aaaaa hole
gr8manipulation bets 20
rdodge98 folds
gr8manipulation: moron
LIRR391 calls 20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gr8manipulation shows [As Ah Ac Ad Tc] four of a kind, Aces
LIRR391 mucks
gr8manipulation wins the pot (100) with four of a kind, Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 100 |
Seat 1: LIRR391 mucked [Jh Js 9c 5h 2d] - a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: Dogbreath1951 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 3: akroman101 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Brotback (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 5: gr8manipulation (small blind) showed [As Ah Ac Ad Tc] and won (100) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: rdodge98 (big blind) folded after the Draw
Full Tilt Poker Game #29426792781: Table 706 (6 max) - 10/20 - Limit 5 Card Draw - 17:31:42 ET - 2011/03/28
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gr8manipulation [Ac Qc 6d Ts 3d]
Old Man River 0 checks
gr8manipulation calls 10
rdodge98 folds
LIRR391 folds
55767 calls 5
akroman101 checks
*** DRAW *** (Pot: 40)
55767 has 15 seconds left to act
55767 discards 2 cards
akroman101 stands pat
Old Man River 0 discards 3 cards
gr8manipulation discards 2 cards [6d 3d]
55767 is dealt 2 cards
Old Man River 0 is dealt 3 cards
Dealt to gr8manipulation [Ac Qc Ts] [9d Ad]
55767 checks
gr8manipulation: i've never seen 3... 4 of a kinds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Old Man River 0 shows [7c 7h 7d 7s Kh] four of a kind, Sevens
gr8manipulation mucks
Old Man River 0 wins the pot (80) with four of a kind, Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 80 |
Seat 1: LIRR391 (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 55767 (small blind) folded after the Draw
Seat 3: akroman101 (big blind) folded after the Draw
Seat 4: Old Man River 0 showed [7c 7h 7d 7s Kh] and won (80) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 5: gr8manipulation mucked [Ac Ad Qc Ts 9d] - a pair of Aces
Seat 6: rdodge98 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Just a comment. Back when US players could play in freerolls i would sometimes start one on fulltilt . Then either out of boredom or the need to leave my computer I would just push all-in with a random garbage hand just to give my chips to anyone with a decent hand willing to call. Much to my suprise i would win with hands like 9-4 offsuit against A-K A-Q even sometimes A-A, K-K. It wouldn't happen just once either. Having won that hand and still needing to leave I would do the same the next hand and continue to win to eventually I am one of the chip leaders by basically blindly pushing all-in. So at this point I would just leave and let my stack get blinded out and even got a few tickets from the ones that placed the top 250. Does this prove fulltilt is rigged, probably not but all I know is if i did this at a live casino, everyone would be chomping at the bit to sit down at my table. needless to say I wouldn't do this if real money weas involved.
I have played live poker for more than 30 years and have never seen such a succession of bad beats as on Full Tilt. I often play a number of games at once and I laugh at the number of times a small stack is beaten by a larger stack regardless of the cards. AK to a small stack is suicide. Likewise QQ or KK, the small stack will always lose to A?. I recently played a multi entry $10 tournament, waited 10 minutes to be dealt in, was dealt QQ I raised was called Flop was 729 I pushed all in Turn was 7 River 4, beaten by larger stack with 10, 7. Played again got AA pushed all in after a raise was beaten by 77 who made a straight. Played again with AK beaten by larger stack with A9. Played again with KK done in by larger stack playing all in with A3. This is just not a bad day but a succession of bad days. I used to think Nooooo cannot be rigged, they make so much dough anyway but after playing for 18 months I now realise that the perpetrators of this scam are a very greedy bunch who want the lot. I wonder who it is that wins the tournaments? I am convinced they have house players who win most of the time. That way they not only get their 10%++ but also the stake money.
I have had enough no more!!
Geograffix
The following are two different hands - separated by one hand that I didn't play - I am either really unlucky or proof that FullTilt is rigged:
Note: My Username is "MyUSERNAME"
Full Tilt Poker Game #30932184347: Table Stultze - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:21:15 ET - 2011/06/07
Seat 1: Alfagus2 ($18.08)
Seat 2: Sworry ($10)
Seat 3: MyUSERNAME ($5.95)
Seat 4: Sush1maker ($10)
Seat 5: Peet1e ($10)
Seat 6: Opel331 ($6.80), is sitting out
Seat 7: 6evil6 ($10.78)
Seat 8: Zippzo ($10)
Seat 9: Lash3r ($9.63)
Sush1maker posts the small blind of $0.05
Peet1e posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MyUSERNAME [5s 5c]
6evil6 calls $0.10
Zippzo folds
Lash3r has 15 seconds left to act
Lash3r folds
Alfagus2 calls $0.10
Sworry folds
MyUSERNAME raises to $0.99
Sush1maker folds
Sush1maker adds $0.05
Peet1e folds
Peet1e adds $0.10
6evil6 folds
Alfagus2 has 15 seconds left to act
Alfagus2 calls $0.89 (CALLS a $1 raise with suited 8 10 of course knowing what the flop will be)
*** FLOP *** [Tc 8c 8h]
Alfagus2 checks
MyUSERNAME bets $4.96, and is all in
Alfagus2 calls $4.96
MyUSERNAME shows [5s 5c]
Alfagus2 shows [8d Td]
*** TURN *** [Tc 8c 8h] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 8c 8h Kd] [6c]
MyUSERNAME shows two pair, Eights and Fives
Alfagus2 shows a full house, Eights full of Tens
Alfagus2 wins the pot ($11.34) with a full house, Eights full of Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.15 | Rake $0.81
Board: [Tc 8c 8h Kd 6c]
Seat 1: Alfagus2 showed [8d Td] and won ($11.34) with a full house, Eights full of Tens
Seat 2: Sworry didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: MyUSERNAME (button) showed [5s 5c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Fives
Seat 4: Sush1maker (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Peet1e (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Opel331 is sitting out
Seat 7: 6evil6 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Zippzo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Lash3r didn't bet (folded)
And now I am on tilt and I get the exact same hand that my opponent had when I had pocket 5s and lost:
Full Tilt Poker Game #30932243051: Table Stultze - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:24:08 ET - 2011/06/07
Seat 1: Alfagus2 ($23.27)
Seat 2: Sworry ($10)
Seat 3: MyUSERNAME ($5.02)
Seat 4: Sush1maker ($10)
Seat 5: Peet1e ($10)
Seat 6: Opel331 ($6.80), is sitting out
Seat 7: 6evil6 ($10.81)
Seat 8: Zippzo ($10)
Seat 9: Lash3r ($9.63)
Zippzo posts the small blind of $0.05
Lash3r posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MyUSERNAME [8d Td]
Alfagus2 calls $0.10
Sworry folds
MyUSERNAME raises to $5.02, and is all in
Sush1maker folds
Peet1e folds
6evil6 folds
Zippzo folds
Zippzo adds $0.05
Lash3r calls $4.92
Alfagus2 folds
MyUSERNAME shows [8d Td]
Lash3r shows [5h 5c]
*** FLOP *** [Kd 8h Jd]
*** TURN *** [Kd 8h Jd] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 8h Jd 8s] [5d]
MyUSERNAME shows a flush, King high
Lash3r shows a full house, Fives full of Eights
Lash3r wins the pot ($9.52) with a full house, Fives full of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.19 | Rake $0.67
Board: [Kd 8h Jd 8s 5d]
Seat 1: Alfagus2 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Sworry didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: MyUSERNAME showed [8d Td] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 4: Sush1maker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Peet1e didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Opel331 is sitting out
Seat 7: 6evil6 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Zippzo (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Lash3r (big blind) showed [5h 5c] and won ($9.52) with a full house, Fives full of Eightsf
I just wanted to say that You all are idiots here who think Its rigged, you just cant handle beats, its the cards what are there...IDIOOOOOOOOOTS...
You ALL ARE IDIOTS IF YOU THINK THAT ITS RIGGED, YOU CANT HANDLE BAD BEATS AND YOU CANT PLAY GOOD POKER.... bUNCH OF IDIOTS...
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I play poker for about 9months and I have played on many poker sites(UniBet,PS,FT,LA). I built my bankroll with freerolls and then go playing the cash games NL holdem. And of course first couple of months I bust everything up, that was because I did not know the game that good. Ok. I started to read books, watching videos, read poker forums, etc. I really studied the game. Then I decided to deposit 100$ on LA, and witin 4 days I was up to 200$ in cash games, I really play good, didnt play crap hands, making some good laydowns, also took one or two badbeats,make some stupid calls, but it was normal. But then just like that, like they would switch me off, I didnt won anything. Flopped set go AI on the flop and they were catching their overpair set on the river up to 5times in 1h30min sesion, lost many many hands against runner runner. Players played crap hands and cracked me like hell on the turn or river. It was just hilarious. But ok I thought that maybe I made bad plays and variance cought me so I get back studying the game. I have 3-4 weeks off playing poker. Then I won 15€ on UniBet on a freeroll. I started to play NL4 6max- they dont have NL2. The games were very very soft, from 44%-70% players seen the flop. Becasue I only have 4buy-ins bankroll I decided to play ultra thight, nit fest game. And I went up to 125€ in one week. And it was normal, playing really good, thight, trapping donks with made hands, also took one or two bad beats sometimes, but it was ok, nothing fishy going on. And then after one week bum bum bum, I couldnt won anything. Players with vpip from 70%-95% hitting runner runner runner runner hands on me!! I couldnt understand how this is possible. I raised preflop 4BB with KK, donk with vpip 93% calls, flop came J34r he checks in raised 3/4pot, and he shoves, I call he has 10 5, turn 6, river 7, 5min later I have again KK, raise 4BB, the same player shoves from BU I call, he has A6o and gets runner runner flush, another hand have AA, BU raises, SB reraises, I 4bet from the BB and both call, flop AK4(two hearts), SB check, I raise 3/4pot, BU fold and SB shoves, I call he has QQ and hit the runner runner flush on the river. And thing like that were just bombarding on me every day till I lost it everything. And I was shocked, how could this happen so frequently. So because of that I think it is rigged. It just doesnt have sense, the odds arent right, arent real. Its the same on PS,FT and other sites. I hope that one day the truth will come up and people responsible for that will be put on the court and in prison.
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